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calling all beings y'all

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yeah

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welcome back to calling all beings i'm

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your host dj along with my illustrious

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co-host that his arms is hurting because

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he's been he's been flying all over the

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place since he was on ucr put your hands

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the legendary known loved respected all

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over ufo twitter we could only be

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talking about

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akashi

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chris

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i will haunt your dreams

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one of the sexiest beings

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in calling all

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a man whose personality is only outshone

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by his hair and we can only be talking

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about yes i mean you baby put it

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together for the jokester the humorous

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antagonist hilarious kevin

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can you hear me what's up kevin last but

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not least

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i'm sorry kevin did i interrupt you

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saying hey what's up man oh no

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last but not least this woman here about

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to take over the interview circuit right

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here because if your phone hasn't rang

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go check it out because it could be deb

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right now that's calling you to get you

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on the show put your hands together for

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at a study of uaps the host of debs data

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dojo

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deb hey

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so good she's such a good interviewer

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she's probably doing another show right

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now are you interviewing somebody right

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now deb because share that with the show

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dj tell me what you think i'm doing

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ramirez is on the other line

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[Laughter]

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all right now party people we about to

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get real because they're about to get

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abducted by the cab you know who we're

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talking about we're talking about brie

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and jamie and kari and we talked about

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that time i was abducted by a cab

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welcome friends

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bubble was that too loud how was that

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was that right no it was good that was

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great

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microphone away so i didn't blow anybody

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out luis jimenez counseled me on that i

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got a counseling letter

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um so anyway

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you were sent to the principal's office

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um so anyway

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yeah i'm in detention man i'm gonna be

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throwing spitballs because i ain't

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taking this

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thing that's cool too anyway very

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welcome uh it's a pleasure to have you

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guys uh obviously you guys have uh put

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on a great show for uh all the uh

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listeners on uh ufo twitter and uh have

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a lot of positive energy yourself and

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i've i've had this burning question that

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i wanted to

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ask you uh since you were abducted and

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and i i sort of alluded to it on twitter

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just a bit

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and i'm kind of curious if you guys

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yourselves are thinking about abducting

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an alien and

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and if in fact like you guys have

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already secured an apartment in vegas

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where you would maybe sequester that

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chain chain that being to the floor

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are you guys thinking about doing that

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is that something unfortunately

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unfortunately i haven't i'm gonna have

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to take a page from lou's book and

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unfortunately we all signed nda's and so

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yeah yeah um reno

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have you considered it here's the thing

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the book the book will be before the

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documentary but if the book the book is

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going to leave a lot of questions i

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i interpret that to mean that they've at

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least considered it i think so that's uh

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that's what i heard them say in fact

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they not only have considered they've

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what i heard them say well but just

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before you take it away nathan i mean

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debs talked about what can happen when

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you and actually dr gary nolan as well

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when you get close to that energy

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there's all kind of there's somebody

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that i guess there was sort of uh a

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malignant tumor or something that was

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discovered after one flew through them

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so uh be very careful of the energy if

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you're to get near that craft and that's

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that's that's all i that's the only psa

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i'm going to launch out tonight so

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that's right yeah and uh if you didn't

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know but kevin has a guide to uh

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the others so if you haven't seen they

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yeah it's very informative

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the more you know she's out here

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informing us i'm gonna put it in our hr

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every year

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um listen hey guys we are really glad to

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have y'all with this um i just want to

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say a few things first so your show has

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the most awesome energy and of all the

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people that we have had on the show and

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we're really still fresh on the block

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here no one has brought the energy and

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the audience like you guys have tonight

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so that's a testament to the great work

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that you're doing

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in the community and i just want to

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encourage you guys to keep up with what

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every time that i tune in i'm just i'm

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very impressed with what you guys do you

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make it look really easy honestly

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thank you

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you know you guys know this isn't easy

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like you know it takes a lot of time

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effort to put together the graphics and

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the music and the questions and i mean

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it's it's a lot and you guys just you

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seem like natural so i just wanted to

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say thanks for coming and and great work

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right and you've been you've been

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pumping out stuff you've got i mean your

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website is incredible too so i'm sorry

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it's like i'm fanboying right now but

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you all have a lot of cool stuff so of

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all the things that you've done um what

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do you find uh do you eat do you each

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have something unique that you like or

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do you all kind of have something that

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of central focus i don't know where we

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all have slightly different interests

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the way that we take the subject

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different but yet it works all together

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i tend to be more of a spiritual

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consciousness based person i always have

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and um jamie used to be thank you

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jamie used to be really nuts and bolts

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about everything and that was always her

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angle and then over the period of the

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podcast she's really changed as well um

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ideas about the subject seem to change

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and kari's been in this a long time too

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and she's definitely a lot more um

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analytical when it comes to things i

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might just be able to be like oh yeah it

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looks looks good and kari's like no

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let's actually do the research and she's

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to say kind of the same line i feel like

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we're all really interested in this

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topic but we all come at it from

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different aspects and we're all good at

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different things you know and we're also

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learning things along the way when me

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and bree first started four years ago we

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didn't know what the hell we were doing

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like literally she bought a microphone

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she put it in her kitchen we recorded

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like figuring out as we go along the way

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us can all teach each other new things

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be on her level like we don't we don't

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ever want to make it so that all of the

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all of the responsibility falls on one

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person but that we're all equally doing

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lift i think as well

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yeah so carl what's been your takeaway

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five times

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never record screen recorded videos and

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passing them off on tick tockers

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that's the culture we live in though

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let's public service announcement for

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people like us that look in the ufos we

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need people to actually put the details

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of the sighting on the video or in the

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description please

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it's really akashi chris's turn but you

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you've kind of in intrigued me with with

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your statement right there corey are you

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is there something that uh like you feel

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like is really missing that um you seem

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very serious about about the topic is

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there something that's really missing

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critical thinking

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yeah i was going to say that's totally

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wait man what is that i'm just kidding

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you know i do that i do that nature

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anyway let's take away akashi chris

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i want to save my time for a little bit

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later because i like i know the girls a

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little bit more and um i want to see it

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from from a little bit different view

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and obviously kevin as well and

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but from a personal perspective

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really comes together

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you know there's like you know there's

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there's comedy that makes no sense but

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then there's comedy that's smart

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you know and what you guys put together

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is very complimentary in in it's

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entertaining

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but it's you bring in the videos you

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have an expert which i'm dying to talk

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to you know it's like you have you guys

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have such a cool little

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project there's such a thing as an

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i am going to seasoned

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i'll take it like a good steak you know

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there's a lot of

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lots of seasoning

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so

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i want to give you time to give your

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story to these guys because we're going

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to play a little game a little bit later

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and um and i also want to let kevin

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asked some questions so we're gonna have

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some fun today yeah absolutely i'll be

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sprinkling along the way because i'm

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your mom and that's what i do i know

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thank you mommy mommy love you i love

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you mommy mama

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the long story dj i became mom at some

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point actually when brie had covet yes

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exactly exactly

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is she taking care of herself

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is she getting a lot of fluids and they

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started calling me mama because i'm mama

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we did a blood ritual is what we called

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it we streamed for three hours and we

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made everyone uh pray for bree's

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recovery and you know what miraculously

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like two days later she was fine so she

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was that's true actually i'm gonna

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contribute it to the the audience and

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all of our listeners and the people who

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watch us because them putting those

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vibes out there i think genuinely healed

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her the power of prep you came back

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it didn't feel quick it felt like a

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lifetime or or not wait to come back

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was it all just virtue of flareus kevin

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doing a little bit of a jedi wave how do

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you know that it wasn't kevin all along

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do you know that i mean we don't

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i don't know i've got a background that

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looks like he could be i know what's

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going on i don't know kevin you got to

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show me a little bit about that cool

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album cover man kevin just froze me for

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like 10 seconds i tried to move and it

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was like it wasn't sleep paralysis it

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was like podcast paralysis i don't know

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what you just did there kevin stop it

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[Laughter]

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do you have a question kevin are we

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going direct to dab without even talking

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to air traffic control

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dev has a question we can go to debt if

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you want

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when does that have not had a question

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it's true deb

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deb was born and she said to the doctor

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what are you doing why'd you spank it

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okay i guess i guess i'll go to the

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heart of the uh matter um although i

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have a very important question to ask

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later about the dolphin king

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um so my question is

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i want okay i'll just ask that one

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because it's so yeah just ask yeah we

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love jazz

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how did we learn like he's come on the

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show and he's still not following me on

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twitter how do i lure the dolphin king

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how do i get that you know what i'm i'm

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going to tell you we accidentally

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was like we accidentally got the dolphin

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love he actually like i approached him

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was like hey do you randomly want to

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come on our show like we're kind of

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weird if not it's totally cool and he

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came out of nowhere and was like

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actually i'm secretly a big fan of yours

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i've watched all your shows i've been

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waiting for you to ask me let's go

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so we didn't even it was kind of like an

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accident that he's like become our

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friend and he's come on twice now and he

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tells us every time that he wants to

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come back more and who wants to come

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back i wish i knew the secret code to

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him but like i think what brie was

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saying like you just got to be yourself

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i think because that's kind of what we

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did and he was like into it i know it's

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j i already know the secret i just want

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i want to share it with everybody

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because please nathan may want to have

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them on liminal frames you never know uh

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smelts and sardines so if you were to

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chum the water get a bucket

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melts or sardines you're gonna see jazz

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all come swimming yeah yeah that's true

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horseradish also shooting some water out

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of his spout the whole nine yards yeah i

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i'm sorry

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this is our pledge of allegiance we do

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[Music]

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you brought your glasses all right i'm

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looking for them sorry i was told i

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should do that whenever whenever the

384
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there we go i want to make assumptions i

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think people always think that we're

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younger than what we are but i am in in

387
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my 30s oh my god are you kidding me

388
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every time people talk to us i think

389
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they assume we're in our 20s and i was

390
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like i am old i mean not that old but

391
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like i'm i'm older than careful now

392
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i did pre-show research with akashi

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chris so i knew that okay good okay good

394
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yeah yeah i'm in my 50 i'm i'm i'm going

395
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to be double nickel next week so it's

396
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all good oh really yeah man 55. man

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congratulations no energy and i'm

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[Laughter]

399
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when you look like this with no hair

400
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you're automatically humble you really

401
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yes i love it so i have a question for

402
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you guys so uh i love what you said

403
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about the way that you kind of interact

404
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and the way that you

405
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kind of like your relationship changes

406
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your own positions and i think that

407
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that's really interesting and not

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everybody

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uh you know kind of

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finds themselves in that place a lot of

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folks that you kind of see in the

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community they're just like you know

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they're in a single lane

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and they're just driving down that lane

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and they don't want to get out you know

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and if anybody tries to say hey why

417
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don't you change lanes they're like no

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no no i'm going to stay on my lane

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um you know in your interactions with

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only yourselves you know on the show but

421
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your guests

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you know

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talk a little bit about the value that

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you found and kind of being able to

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switch that perspective a little bit

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well i think that it's just important in

427
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this topic to understand everybody's

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side and not come at it from such a

429
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critical way which i think happens

430
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sometimes in this community especially

431
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when we're talking to people like

432
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experiencers and stuff instead of just

433
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listening to the story and absorbing it

434
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we we are all so critical of all of

435
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these details or we want this evidence

436
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or this proof or explain this or explain

437
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that to me and i think that sometimes

438
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that it it comes off

439
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not curious but more um

440
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judgmental yeah yeah judgmental yeah and

441
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so i think that we have to kind of get

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rid of that stigma i think and start i

443
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mean we're all in this subject because

444
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we believe in some pretty incredible

445
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unbelievable things so why is it that we

446
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don't want to believe the people who are

447
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telling us more of these incredible

448
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things you know

449
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can i get it amen can i get an amen

450
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amen from the congregation hey i'd like

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kari though to

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maybe say

453
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how she feels about that because i think

454
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kari is very critical but in

455
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the correct way

456
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that's important

457
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please please share that with us

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talk girlfriend let's hear it show that

459
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result this talk of lanes i get what

460
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you're talking about and the resistance

461
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to cross-pollinate across different

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fields and different lanes but i think

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the key the key component here is like

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the central

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operating system of all of these fields

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is consciousness

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so if you just like

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take a step back and put it all into one

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field

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and address it as one thing

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that's one lane

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with multi facets of things and i think

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approaching it from that standpoint is

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the the way that we're gonna find any

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kind of

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answers because i feel like if

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these people that are resistant and

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they're in one lane

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they're like yeah there's definitive

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answers at the end of my lane i must

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stay here because my entire

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educational thesis was written on this

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field and i can't possibly open my mind

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to other

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like modes of thinking

486
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and that's the problem but that's

487
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unless it leads to stagnation and then

488
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we don't

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develop and you know this happens across

490
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every

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sector like technology computers

492
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everything very true i i've got a

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follow-up that i would like to ask kari

494
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and then if you guys don't mind if you'd

495
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indulge me i'd like to go around the

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horn and get everybody in on this one

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starting with our our

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guests and then to nathan and and deb

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and akashi and and uh flareus kevin

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um

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so on deb's show the other night we were

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speaking about

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this notion of ghosts and it made me

504
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think of one of the ones in connecticut

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and it wasn't the conjuring one but it

506
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was uh one where uh the two folks who

507
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did the animatedville horror was like a

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husband and wife the wife was the medium

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i i want to say it's warren is their

510
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last name it might be irish i

511
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can't remember yeah irene warren

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yeah i think so

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right

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so

515
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and you you see where in that uh

516
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incidents you see that the town sheriff

517
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is actually there

518
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or police chief uh along with the clergy

519
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and at one point whatever the energy was

520
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grabs and slams him against the wall

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and there's so there's some sort of a

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demonic spirit that is reacting to

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the

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will will uh used to to

525
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exercise the house right yeah

526
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and so i'm curious

527
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uh kari

528
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if if when you see that

529
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that i have trouble and you guys on the

530
00:21:27,909 --> 00:21:25,360
panel might be able to help me today

531
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i have a trouble seeing the line there

532
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that connects

533
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that and the phenomenon that we would

534
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associate with a higher intelligence a a

535
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uap ufo uh either extra or ultra

536
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terrestrial or interdimensional

537
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can you

538
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see that line or do you feel like that's

539
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that that sort of demonic presence

540
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there's something different between

541
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those two things or not

542
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again this is consciousness

543
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so what what would the spirit be it's

544
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just disembodied consciousness

545
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so

546
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whether that spirit is good or bad

547
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i mean

548
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that's up yeah it's on a case-by-case

549
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basis but

550
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it's it boils down to it being like

551
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intent

552
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it could be a physical body it could be

553
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some kind of other plane an astral plane

554
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some kind of spirit plane but it's all

555
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consciousness

556
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at the heart of it because it's all just

557
00:22:24,149 --> 00:22:22,559
emanating

558
00:22:26,310 --> 00:22:24,159
out

559
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:26,320
but the home it's married to that home

560
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:28,080
for some reason whereas it seems like

561
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:30,159
these other entities sort of go to these

562
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:31,760
different places but for some reason

563
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:33,840
they're stationed in that home and they

564
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:35,760
have an offense to you being in the home

565
00:22:39,029 --> 00:22:37,200
and i'm not saying there's not i'm just

566
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:39,039
trying to work through it that's what

567
00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:41,360
i'm saying i guess that would be an a

568
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:42,799
negative

569
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:45,679
consciousness that's trapped in trauma

570
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:47,520
or

571
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:48,480
there's

572
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:50,880
any multitude of reasons why a spirit

573
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:53,200
might choose to hang around if it did

574
00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:55,679
and it feels chained within that home

575
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:58,720
like bree and jamie's ufo that's over

576
00:23:02,070 --> 00:23:00,559
down near the strip in that one bedroom

577
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:02,080
studio

578
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:03,840
anyway all right all right jamie go

579
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:07,039
ahead and take it away no um so

580
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:08,400
what i think you're kind of alluding to

581
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:10,400
is this idea that you know it's it's

582
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:12,080
stuck in this one location so i think

583
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:13,679
that

584
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:17,039
uh

585
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:18,960
the things that are what i like to call

586
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:21,600
beyond the veil ghost aliens paranormal

587
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:22,720
what have you

588
00:23:28,230 --> 00:23:26,789
there's different dimensions of it so

589
00:23:30,549 --> 00:23:28,240
like i feel like when someone's dealing

590
00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:30,559
with like a like a demon type that's

591
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:32,720
like a lower dimensional being that

592
00:23:35,909 --> 00:23:34,240
they're dealing with on that other side

593
00:23:38,549 --> 00:23:35,919
and like that's a part of it like that

594
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:38,559
has that lower dimensional vibrational

595
00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:40,799
vibes who knows why that specific being

596
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:42,400
is in those low vibes and they are like

597
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:44,080
that but i also think that it brings

598
00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:46,080
into question two like

599
00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:48,080
the idea of good and bad because i think

600
00:23:52,390 --> 00:23:50,559
that we we place a lot of uh weight on

601
00:23:54,149 --> 00:23:52,400
the idea of what is good and bad to us

602
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:54,159
like humans but i think that sometimes

603
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:55,279
when you're talking about things on a

604
00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:57,919
cosmic scale or behind the veil how are

605
00:24:01,669 --> 00:24:00,080
we to say what is good or bad in those

606
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:01,679
scenarios because we're not looking at

607
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:03,520
it from their perspective so like when

608
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:05,520
we go and we take a dolphin out of the

609
00:24:09,269 --> 00:24:07,440
water and tag it with a tag we are

610
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:09,279
technically traumatizing it in some way

611
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:11,520
but it seems like to us

612
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:13,120
why would we apologize to that creature

613
00:24:16,630 --> 00:24:15,120
we're trying to help it so what if it

614
00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:16,640
just so happened that it seemed like

615
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:18,159
this weird violent thing that you didn't

616
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:19,840
understand but the reality is is it

617
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:21,600
wasn't violent or negative and it was

618
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:22,960
actually something to help you when you

619
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:26,159
just don't consciously understand that

620
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:28,320
that is a great perspective so that

621
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:30,640
that's opened my mind a little bit uh

622
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:33,200
miss uh miss pre please

623
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:35,520
i have to definitely agree with kari and

624
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:37,200
jamie i think this is actually something

625
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:39,440
that we've talked about quite often

626
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:41,760
um that they're definitely intertwined

627
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:43,440
if not maybe the same thing and we've

628
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:46,799
just given them different um words and

629
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:49,520
labels for certain situations

630
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:51,840
when i think of a negative

631
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:54,240
lower vibrational entity that's just

632
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:56,480
another word for maybe a religious

633
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:58,559
person is saying demon

634
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,240
but then if we look at other

635
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:02,880
extraterrestrial encounters of people

636
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:04,960
that maybe feel like they've been in the

637
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:07,600
presence of a draco reptilian all of

638
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:08,640
those

639
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:11,440
um attributes of this being sound a

640
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:14,559
whole lot like something that's demonic

641
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:16,640
it's the same kind of feeding off of

642
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:17,919
your energy

643
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:20,000
only almost like using you as a host

644
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:21,679
trying to drain you

645
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:23,520
so i do agree with jamie there's

646
00:25:28,149 --> 00:25:25,600
different dimensions to it and so i

647
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:28,159
think that also creates a little bit of

648
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:31,120
a separation but ultimately i think like

649
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:32,480
kari said we're just talking about

650
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:34,720
consciousness and all the different

651
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:37,679
ways that it is incarnated and all the

652
00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:39,840
different avenues that it takes to

653
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:43,840
communicate with beings like us

654
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:45,760
so that's very interesting you guys are

655
00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:47,520
definitely given that that being an

656
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:48,799
opportunity

657
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:49,679
to

658
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:50,720
be

659
00:25:54,789 --> 00:25:52,799
not harmful even if it is scaring the

660
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:54,799
hell out of occupants or throwing the

661
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:56,400
sheriff against the wall

662
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:58,559
nathan but still i would i'd kick him

663
00:26:01,830 --> 00:26:00,080
out of my house if something like that

664
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:01,840
happened and i believe that we have the

665
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:05,039
power to do so oh yeah for sure so yeah

666
00:26:09,909 --> 00:26:08,080
i do believe that pajamas on the street

667
00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:09,919
well you know what's interesting about

668
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:12,320
that um brie is that when you listen to

669
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:14,880
amy allen who's an amazing medium i

670
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:16,559
can't remember the name of that show but

671
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:19,120
there's like a detective person and amy

672
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:20,640
allen who's the medium and they go and

673
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:22,960
they investigate a property separately

674
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:25,120
so when she's there he can't be there

675
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:26,799
when he comes and he interviews the

676
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:28,799
family she can't be there and they end

677
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:30,880
up coming up with he'll go and search

678
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:32,480
public records and find out that it's

679
00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:35,279
somebody who died that's in in the house

680
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:37,840
that is uh because when the vision of

681
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:40,080
them appears to look like photos that he

682
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:42,400
found in the archives so it and that

683
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:44,400
person seems to be angry and not want to

684
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:46,400
leave but i don't know

685
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:48,000
everything we've said here to me you

686
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:50,559
know it's a possible tangent but money

687
00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:52,240
nathan i know that the entire panel

688
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:53,440
can't wait to hear what you're going to

689
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:55,120
say well i mean i i'm actually just

690
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:56,640
going to echo what they've said i mean

691
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:57,760
socari

692
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:59,120
i you know

693
00:27:02,470 --> 00:27:00,799
and all of you honestly there aren't a

694
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:02,480
lot of shows that are talking about it

695
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:04,400
from this perspective

696
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:06,000
and to be honest i think this is

697
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:09,279
actually where it it comes from

698
00:27:12,789 --> 00:27:10,320
um

699
00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:12,799
you know we we need to work out what the

700
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:15,520
kind of the details are but we part of

701
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:18,000
it is this right our our symbology and

702
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:18,799
our

703
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:23,200
pretty used to like they're they're

704
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:25,360
pretty steeped in like materialism like

705
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:27,600
the our scientific progress

706
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:29,760
totally immaterialism you know we're

707
00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:31,760
used to sort of working in a world where

708
00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:33,440
we take a lot of things for granted a

709
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:35,679
lot of the ways that we go oh yeah that

710
00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:38,240
that's true like that that's normal all

711
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:39,760
of that stuff is stuff that you we kind

712
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:42,320
of forget we were born into that

713
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:43,919
we we arrived

714
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:46,080
in the world and some things were

715
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:48,000
already assumptions that that everybody

716
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:49,279
kind of agreed on and they just got

717
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:50,880
passed to us and they're kind of part of

718
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:52,720
the era in which we breathe

719
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:54,080
this topic

720
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:56,320
and the paranormal and all of it you

721
00:28:00,149 --> 00:27:57,760
know when you come at it from that

722
00:28:02,230 --> 00:28:00,159
unifying perspective

723
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:02,240
consciousness is really the only thing

724
00:28:07,029 --> 00:28:04,799
that can that can encompass all of these

725
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:07,039
different phenomena and so we really

726
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:11,039
need a better language to understand uh

727
00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:13,679
all of these aspects through that lens

728
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:15,279
and i just would love to hear more of

729
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:17,039
your perspectives on

730
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:18,240
you know kind of

731
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:20,559
how it operates what is the relationship

732
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:23,200
between consciousness and uh and science

733
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:24,960
as we understand it where do you think

734
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:26,480
this is going you know where do we think

735
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:28,640
it needs to go in order for the public

736
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:31,200
to be at a place where we can talk about

737
00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:33,039
the sort of wide spectrum of things that

738
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:35,440
are happening here

739
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:37,520
i think you said a good what you were

740
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:39,760
just kind of explaining how we're just

741
00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:42,320
born into things just being this way

742
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:46,159
it's all programming right so um i do

743
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:48,080
truly believe that one of the things i

744
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:50,159
think we need to do and i'm almost

745
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:52,320
positive my other two girls would agree

746
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:55,120
that we need to break the line between

747
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:57,120
what is considered paranormal and

748
00:29:02,549 --> 00:28:59,600
ghostly and the alien world

749
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:02,559
um they seem to well they do for sure

750
00:29:06,149 --> 00:29:04,240
intertwine and i think we're talking

751
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:06,159
about the same things most of the time

752
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:07,600
and instead of having two different

753
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:10,559
camps we should marry those together and

754
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:13,200
bounce off of each other our different

755
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:15,919
situations that we're in or data that

756
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:17,440
we're getting when people are going on

757
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:19,440
investigations i mean there's so much

758
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:23,200
that is so similar and i do feel like if

759
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:25,440
those two camps marry

760
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:27,440
i think we're gonna get so many more

761
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:30,320
answers than us always trying to put

762
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:32,960
something in a box and label something

763
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:34,960
oh no this is what's happening this is

764
00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:37,440
an entity this is paranormal no this is

765
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:39,039
alien this is an abduction it's a

766
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:40,399
physical abduction

767
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:42,320
um all of those things they have so many

768
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:44,080
different similarities it's like why are

769
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:45,039
we

770
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:46,480
separating that

771
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:48,640
i think the work and the progress that

772
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:51,440
can be done would be tremendous if we

773
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:54,000
really were to group um those two

774
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:55,679
different groups together i can only

775
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:57,520
like imagine what would happen

776
00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:59,440
and i do feel like science is kind of

777
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:01,279
catching on with the consciousness

778
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:02,640
aspect

779
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:05,440
it seems to be slowly accepted and

780
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:08,720
mostly underground in a sense i think

781
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:10,880
it's going to take more people more

782
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:13,760
scientists that are willing to put that

783
00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:15,679
materialism like you're saying on the

784
00:30:19,350 --> 00:30:16,799
line

785
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:19,360
and say let's just throw that out for a

786
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:20,880
minute let's

787
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:22,880
dip our toes into something that we

788
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:25,039
think is strange but really it's just a

789
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:27,760
different kind of science

790
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:30,640
right just because we can't always

791
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:33,200
touch it and taste it it's a science

792
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:34,480
well it's like the same thing like when

793
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:36,880
we tried to uh understand gravity right

794
00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:38,320
like we didn't understand it we had to

795
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:39,679
change our science in order to

796
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:42,240
understand gravity we had to uh create

797
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:44,399
new equations and things so why are we

798
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:46,159
not applying that same thing to the

799
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:47,520
phenomenon like that would be the

800
00:30:52,230 --> 00:30:50,320
logical next step to go forward we still

801
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:52,240
don't know what it is we just know i

802
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:53,360
mean here

803
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:55,120
can i say something i mean

804
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:57,039
i mean we don't we don't even know what

805
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:59,440
consciousness is like yep i mean you

806
00:31:02,310 --> 00:31:00,480
guys are

807
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:02,320
sure it's consciousness but we can't

808
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:04,399
operationally even define that

809
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:06,480
i mean i'm hearing a lot of demons and

810
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:08,640
stuff that's all just interpretation all

811
00:31:13,029 --> 00:31:11,039
that is just it's all based on like

812
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:13,039
you know like nathan said it's all based

813
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:16,000
on what we're raised to believe

814
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:18,399
so i mean how would you even find the

815
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:19,760
line that

816
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:22,080
that you need to merge i mean you're

817
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:23,360
talking you're going to have to change

818
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:24,960
people's values you're going to have to

819
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:26,399
change

820
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:28,159
archetypes you know

821
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:30,559
that's a huge task i mean how how would

822
00:31:33,509 --> 00:31:31,519
you guys

823
00:31:36,149 --> 00:31:33,519
think to do this i mean i'm looking at

824
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:36,159
youtube and i'm seeing like galileo

825
00:31:41,389 --> 00:31:37,120
project

826
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:41,399
3k subscribers right and then minecraft

827
00:31:45,509 --> 00:31:43,840
817 million

828
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:45,519
subscribers like

829
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:47,760
by next week it's going to be pretty

830
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:49,600
it's going to be yeah

831
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:51,919
like yeah i mean i think how do we do

832
00:31:57,509 --> 00:31:55,909
when it's talking about those two

833
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:57,519
subjects so you know that there's a huge

834
00:32:01,830 --> 00:32:00,399
following around you know uh ghost

835
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:01,840
hunting channels and things like that

836
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:03,519
right they have tv shows about them and

837
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:05,919
things and if we can try to convince the

838
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:08,720
people in some way that the aliens and

839
00:32:11,669 --> 00:32:10,080
the paranormal are connected what i

840
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:11,679
think that that does is that opens it up

841
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:15,039
to an entire new uh genre of people who

842
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:16,640
are gonna believe it because there's a

843
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:17,840
like if you go out and you just

844
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:19,200
interview people in the world and ask do

845
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:20,640
you believe in ghosts they're probably

846
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:23,600
gonna say yes right we kind of blindly

847
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:25,279
believe it and we almost have some of

848
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:27,760
the same evidence for aliens as ghosts

849
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:29,519
right you have people telling stories

850
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:31,519
these really like possibly could be

851
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:33,519
faked videos that are like sketchy and

852
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:34,880
dark figure like if you start to think

853
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:37,519
about it the paranormal uh evidence that

854
00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:39,360
we have in the alien evidence are very

855
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:41,840
similar yet as a society as a whole we

856
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:43,600
just blindly kind of believe in ghosts

857
00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:45,840
as it being a real thing so i think if

858
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:47,600
we can we can shift that over to the

859
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:49,200
alien side that's going to completely

860
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:51,200
change the way people approach this

861
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:52,799
topic because it's just it's just going

862
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:54,399
to be kind of like a part of life at

863
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:56,159
that point so when i think you try to

864
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:57,840
merge those two subjects it's opening up

865
00:33:01,509 --> 00:32:59,440
that line between the two of them that's

866
00:33:02,710 --> 00:33:01,519
how you break down that line barrier and

867
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:02,720
i i think so

868
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:03,840
one of the i just want to say i think

869
00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:05,279
one of the reasons for that jamie is

870
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:07,519
they're more prevalent in your life

871
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:09,840
there are many many more people who have

872
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:12,159
seen a ghost or a spirit in their home

873
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:14,000
than have seen a ufo i mean nathan just

874
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:15,919
had a ghost in his house yesterday but

875
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:18,799
he hasn't seen the ufo you know

876
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:20,640
akashi chris i mean they were making

877
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:22,159
eggs benedict in her kitchen when she

878
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:24,799
woke up but no actually chris you know

879
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:27,200
has a bumper sticker on the back of her

880
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:29,279
chevy zl one that says i ain't afraid of

881
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:32,080
no ghosts so so chris

882
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:34,399
i don't have a chance

883
00:33:39,269 --> 00:33:37,120
what do you think about it

884
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:39,279
what do you think about this yes you

885
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:41,039
have many thoughts on this first of all

886
00:33:46,389 --> 00:33:44,240
um i love the fact that you know i agree

887
00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:46,399
with you know i mean i think we are

888
00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:48,159
we're all on the same page we're just

889
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:50,080
going about it in different ways you

890
00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:52,559
know i think that's important again i go

891
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:55,039
back to my old you know broken record

892
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:57,120
that it's a big puzzle

893
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:00,240
when i think about um ghosts

894
00:34:03,630 --> 00:34:02,720
i think multi-dimensional this makes

895
00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:03,640
sense

896
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:06,559
multi-dimensional you would see things

897
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:09,280
that normally you wouldn't see and maybe

898
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:11,760
it opens up for a certain period of time

899
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:12,560
or

900
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:14,879
going back to consciousness unlocking

901
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:16,960
consciousness we know that near-death

902
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:19,359
experiences negative you know people

903
00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:22,639
that have had ndes are more prone to

904
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:25,119
seeing things than experiencing than

905
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:28,159
others that have been blocked so you

906
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:29,919
know kind of when when i and then when i

907
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:31,599
think about demons

908
00:34:36,629 --> 00:34:34,399
is where i go to my crisp offices so

909
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:36,639
when i think about demons we're thinking

910
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:39,280
i mean it's again a merge of everything

911
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:41,200
you guys talked about was with a twist

912
00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:43,440
because it is perception right

913
00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:45,200
you know what's a demon

914
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:47,280
i mean we talk about you know skinwalker

915
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:50,000
dino beavers maybe a dino in another

916
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:52,560
dimension it's a dog

917
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:56,720
and we accept our pets and love them and

918
00:35:02,790 --> 00:34:59,040
you know and we see this thing ah well

919
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:04,390
you know maybe they're supposed to have

920
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:07,040
three eyes but you know so but when i

921
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:09,440
think of intentions and this is where i

922
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:11,599
go down a different rabbit hole which is

923
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:13,280
um

924
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:15,200
past lives

925
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:19,680
could your soul and your consciousness

926
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:24,720
become a collection of your choices

927
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:28,000
in different dimensions and different i

928
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:32,240
know boom right so and if consciousness

929
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:34,720
is something you sense

930
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:37,359
then you're gonna sense the evil

931
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:40,000
if they made evil choices there are and

932
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:42,000
i know evil you think that evil

933
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:44,160
subjective evil is not subjective i mean

934
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:46,240
people kill people for no freaking

935
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:48,480
reason people kill children bad things

936
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:51,680
happen and people do it and

937
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:54,400
to me when i think of that puzzle i

938
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:57,119
think of you know we talk about where

939
00:36:01,510 --> 00:35:58,640
you go after

940
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:01,520
good or bad you know maybe you can't

941
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:04,160
move on maybe that makes sense in a

942
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:06,640
world that you know your consciousness

943
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:09,440
is as dirty as the actions that you've

944
00:36:13,829 --> 00:36:12,320
in the process that you've made across

945
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:13,839
your many lives

946
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:15,839
and at some point maybe you're just not

947
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:18,720
freaking recyclable anymore

948
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:20,880
i know i know where deb is going

949
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:22,640
you know but hold on

950
00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:24,400
one more point before you go there which

951
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:25,599
is

952
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:26,960
shadow people

953
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:29,520
you know you think about not only you

954
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:31,200
know and and

955
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:32,720
you know people with dementia seeing

956
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:34,720
things that aren't there you know so

957
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,560
many different things but then you go

958
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:38,880
the science route enters quantum

959
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:41,359
entanglement akash you know the science

960
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:43,119
of the akashic realm

961
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:45,839
it all starts to make sense to me it's

962
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:48,560
like it's it's like your your choices

963
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:51,680
are driving what happens and something

964
00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:54,240
happens and i don't know i'm going whoa

965
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:56,079
because i i i started thinking about all

966
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:58,320
these things and it just it all starts

967
00:37:01,990 --> 00:37:00,320
to link if that makes any sense i don't

968
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:02,000
know if you guys thought no yeah for

969
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:04,880
sure we have another cabbie that has uh

970
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:06,960
at least one or two thoughts

971
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:10,240
every second and that is of course deb

972
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:12,560
yeah i was trying to figure out which

973
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:14,240
way to go with all of those different

974
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:16,079
things that got thrown out there but i

975
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:18,240
will start with even when you are

976
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:20,320
talking about ghosts some people

977
00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:23,200
theorize that they are not all spirits

978
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:25,760
they are not all poltergeists which are

979
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:27,920
the like mischievous spirits some of

980
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:30,240
them may be memories

981
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:32,800
like imprinted essentially

982
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:35,520
imprinted somehow which kind of goes

983
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:38,480
with that whole simulation theory idea i

984
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:40,480
just feel like at this point there's so

985
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:42,880
many things we don't know we can't roll

986
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:44,560
anything out even when it comes to

987
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:46,960
ghosts like this and and i i just want

988
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:49,280
to remind people that we're doing all of

989
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:51,119
this from our

990
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:54,079
cultural lens but other cultures it's

991
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:56,880
really normal really commonplace

992
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:58,480
highly accepted

993
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:00,079
um and you know when you when you read

994
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:03,119
about other belief systems they just

995
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:05,359
don't respond to these issues the same

996
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:06,560
way they're like of course there's

997
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:09,119
ghosts you know of course there's um

998
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:12,880
star people you know duh

999
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:14,880
yeah

1000
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:19,040
believe

1001
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:21,280
in the west

1002
00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:23,440
and a religion has a lot to do with it i

1003
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:25,119
was going to say and yeah when you talk

1004
00:38:28,390 --> 00:38:26,880
about a lot of these like company

1005
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:28,400
companies these countries that are ruled

1006
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:30,560
by these very religious uh leaders and

1007
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:32,320
regiments and stuff like that you start

1008
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:33,359
to see that they don't have a lot of

1009
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:34,880
information about ufos not a lot of

1010
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:37,040
their people are talking about ufos so i

1011
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:38,720
think another place that we have to take

1012
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:40,720
this conversation to is like i get that

1013
00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:42,079
everybody wants to go to the government

1014
00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:43,359
and talk to the government about it but

1015
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:44,800
we should all be having conversations

1016
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:46,880
with religious leaders like why are we

1017
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:48,160
not getting the takes on religious

1018
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:50,160
leaders like eventually over time they

1019
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:52,640
are gonna have to change you know with

1020
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:54,720
the times right so why are we not

1021
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:56,000
talking to these people because these

1022
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:57,359
are the people who are going to church

1023
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:59,119
every day who are going to be able to

1024
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:01,119
talk to these people and open up their

1025
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:03,359
minds to their belief systems you know

1026
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:04,960
like that's the kind of conversations

1027
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:06,400
which we should be having those are the

1028
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:08,400
people who could reach everyday people

1029
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:10,160
to talk about the subject

1030
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:11,920
jamie

1031
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:14,400
look up nathan nathan's ready to answer

1032
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:15,839
this question

1033
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:17,920
he's got a master's degree in divinity

1034
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:20,240
what's up nathan well i mean you're not

1035
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:22,480
you're absolutely right 100

1036
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:24,880
um you know religion is like a is an

1037
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:26,880
operating system right

1038
00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:28,960
to use a modern analogy it's uh it's a

1039
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:30,079
software

1040
00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:33,280
that uh we we run and it helps us do

1041
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:35,119
certain things and one thing that

1042
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:36,960
religions do very well that science

1043
00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:39,440
doesn't do a very good job of

1044
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:42,320
right now at least i think is is people

1045
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:43,119
you know

1046
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:45,119
people skills

1047
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:46,560
yeah you know scientists aren't doing

1048
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:48,960
funerals uh they're not doing weddings

1049
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:51,520
they're not doing you know and they do

1050
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:54,240
sometimes but uh it's pretty rare and so

1051
00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:57,040
the point there being that

1052
00:40:02,230 --> 00:39:59,680
you know sort of every generation every

1053
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:02,240
uh time our our understanding of what is

1054
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:04,560
real changes

1055
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:06,480
religion is stepping in to try to sort

1056
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:08,640
of repackage

1057
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:10,480
the models that they have to help

1058
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:12,160
everybody cope through the stages of

1059
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:14,720
life that we all go through and we like

1060
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:17,280
to we like to demonize religion a lot to

1061
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:18,880
kind of like say you know this is such a

1062
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:21,359
bad thing oh it's so you know so

1063
00:40:26,309 --> 00:40:24,000
barbaric or primitive or whatever we

1064
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:26,319
have our science but the truth is it

1065
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:28,160
does it does provide a lot of meaning to

1066
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:30,240
people it helps us place our lives in a

1067
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:33,280
story and story is incredibly powerful

1068
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:35,920
science can do that as well but it's

1069
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:38,000
much harder it's less compelling at

1070
00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:39,680
least we haven't quite gotten to a place

1071
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:42,079
i think where where most people at least

1072
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:43,359
in the west

1073
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:44,560
feel

1074
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:46,400
the same sort of

1075
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:48,640
comfort with science that they have felt

1076
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:50,160
with religion

1077
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:51,680
but we could get there and i think we

1078
00:40:55,109 --> 00:40:53,119
should i think there should be a kind of

1079
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:55,119
a merger of these worlds

1080
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:57,200
if you will

1081
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:58,240
and then to come back one of the things

1082
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:59,680
i just want to say to come back kind of

1083
00:41:01,910 --> 00:41:00,480
what we've been talking about with

1084
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:01,920
consciousness

1085
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:04,400
everything that we experience

1086
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:06,640
happens in consciousness

1087
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:07,440
so

1088
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:11,040
everything that we call material

1089
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:13,920
that that is appearing in the world is

1090
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:16,720
is happening in our brains

1091
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:17,760
okay

1092
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:21,760
so it's happening in our minds right so

1093
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:23,200
so you know

1094
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:25,520
if you've ever had a lucid dream and a

1095
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:26,960
very vivid lucid dream i don't know if

1096
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:28,880
you guys do i've only had maybe one but

1097
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:30,800
a lot of people have one more often but

1098
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:32,480
you'll hear them say that it's it's as

1099
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:33,520
if it's like

1100
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:34,880
waking life

1101
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:38,800
in your dream there's no reason to say

1102
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:40,560
that what we're experiencing right now

1103
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:42,880
is is isn't the same kind of on the same

1104
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:44,880
parity so all of these things that

1105
00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:47,680
appear in our conscious experience

1106
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:49,760
you know not not when we're sleeping but

1107
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:51,839
conscious waking life

1108
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:54,160
that's all happening in in our in our

1109
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:56,560
minds in our mind space but we've we've

1110
00:42:01,349 --> 00:41:59,280
kind of pretended as if like it's it's

1111
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:01,359
discreetly different from us separate

1112
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:03,680
from us but we can't even explain how

1113
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:06,000
the brain creates consciousness we can't

1114
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:08,000
write or a dream for that matter we

1115
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:09,599
can't explain how you dream exactly yeah

1116
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:10,960
we actually need to flip it back the

1117
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:11,920
other way

1118
00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:15,040
that the brain is a is an exterior

1119
00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:17,599
representation of mind not the other way

1120
00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:20,079
around oh i like that that's a good take

1121
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:22,480
on it kari you're mostly

1122
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:25,359
your most vivid dream was

1123
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:40,950
i've always been a lucid dreamer

1124
00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:42,960
as far as i can remember

1125
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:44,240
and has that something you've kind of

1126
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:45,680
like

1127
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:47,119
not only have you had it but have you

1128
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:48,560
developed the skill

1129
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:51,520
um if you've gotten better at it

1130
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:53,760
i have gotten better at it but i find

1131
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:56,800
that the one thing um that

1132
00:43:01,430 --> 00:43:00,079
would stop me in the middle of something

1133
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:01,440
in the dream

1134
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:04,560
i think is is being overly excited

1135
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:06,480
so it's like the second i realize that

1136
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:09,119
i'm dreaming and i can change something

1137
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:10,800
there's been times where i'm getting too

1138
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:12,800
excited and it's like in the heat of

1139
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:14,880
that moment building up is what i'm

1140
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:17,680
snapping out of it and i'm waking up

1141
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:20,640
so there's been some like oh god a long

1142
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:22,640
long long time ago when i first realized

1143
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,160
what was happening

1144
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:26,400
um i used to do things like okay i'm

1145
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:27,839
gonna purposely

1146
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:30,079
try to lose a dream so i would

1147
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:31,760
do things like okay

1148
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:33,760
randomly i'll just like clap my hands

1149
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:35,520
just for exist you know example

1150
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:36,880
something like that

1151
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:38,319
and throughout the day just clap my

1152
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:41,520
hands and then see if that carries over

1153
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:43,839
in dream time just little things like

1154
00:43:48,069 --> 00:43:44,880
that

1155
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:48,079
but i i still there are still plenty of

1156
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:50,800
times where i get way too excited and

1157
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:52,319
it's like

1158
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:54,960
the emotion takes over and then i just

1159
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:56,640
snap out

1160
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:57,839
but um

1161
00:44:01,829 --> 00:43:59,920
yeah i've been lucid dreaming for

1162
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:01,839
i feel like as long as i can remember

1163
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:04,160
james has always been a

1164
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:06,000
place i don't even feel like dream is

1165
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:08,800
just in the mind i think dream is is

1166
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:12,160
entering a different actual realm that

1167
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:15,359
our consciousness is is exploring

1168
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:17,839
and it's inwardly but i don't think it's

1169
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:19,680
inward as in the mind i think it's

1170
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:22,000
inward as connecting somehow back to the

1171
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:23,839
source that we came from

1172
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:25,440
and being able to connect in all those

1173
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:27,200
different dimensions

1174
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:30,240
and um seeing places

1175
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:32,560
beings things like that that's always

1176
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:34,079
been something that

1177
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:36,640
i've always liked to travel and go

1178
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:38,000
through that's always been i think one

1179
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,160
of my main connections

1180
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:42,720
to source and even even this whole

1181
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:45,200
ufo field in general there's a lot of

1182
00:44:48,829 --> 00:44:47,200
connections there so that was always my

1183
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:48,839
first

1184
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:51,520
tether i was gonna say could that be an

1185
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:53,280
expression you're one way where you can

1186
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:56,240
express your consciousnesses at night

1187
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:57,760
where you say okay i don't know what

1188
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:00,400
consciousness is i can't define it i

1189
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:03,440
think that it is still going to carry on

1190
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:04,640
after

1191
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:07,440
my physical body ceases to to live that

1192
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:09,599
that consciousness will either inhabit

1193
00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:12,319
another body or or i don't i don't

1194
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:14,079
actually i don't know obviously i don't

1195
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:16,400
know what happens to it but do you feel

1196
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:18,480
like that's an expression of your

1197
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:20,640
consciousness because we don't know how

1198
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:22,720
you make it we don't know the

1199
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:25,280
ingredients to make a dream or we we

1200
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:27,920
could we couldn't say of the parts and

1201
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:30,000
pieces and machinery that make that

1202
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:33,440
happen within you

1203
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:34,160
me

1204
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:36,640
yes yeah

1205
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:38,960
see i i don't know because i'm actually

1206
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:41,040
not a lucid dreamer and none of my

1207
00:45:44,790 --> 00:45:43,040
experiences have been in dream time so

1208
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:44,800
that's more brie side of it my

1209
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:46,000
encounters have always been more

1210
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:48,960
physical and in like the earthly realm

1211
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:53,750
dreams are weird it's they don't know

1212
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:54,880
what it is they don't know where it

1213
00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:56,480
comes from i wish that i had more

1214
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:58,480
experiences with dreams but i i'm just

1215
00:46:02,150 --> 00:46:00,400
not a i don't dream i don't lucid dream

1216
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:02,160
i'm very bad at meditating and things

1217
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:03,280
like that

1218
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:04,800
you know i don't think it's for everyone

1219
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:07,040
i think that i have a connection to uh

1220
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:08,400
consciousness but in a very different

1221
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:09,280
way

1222
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:10,400
um

1223
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:12,319
that's not in dream time like for me

1224
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:14,160
personally my kind of connection to it

1225
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:15,119
is i

1226
00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:16,720
it's gonna sound crazy but like i just

1227
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:19,280
get like these weird like things that

1228
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:20,880
consciousness tells me and sometimes i

1229
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:23,440
say them and they happen to be true or i

1230
00:46:26,710 --> 00:46:25,359
i have knowledge about stuff that i

1231
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:26,720
don't know and sometimes i just say

1232
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:28,240
stuff and people be like how do you know

1233
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:29,520
that and i just i don't know i was just

1234
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:31,760
told to say it it's not like it's not

1235
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:33,200
like something telling me hey jamie say

1236
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:34,640
this like it's literally just words kind

1237
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:36,400
of come out of my mouth and that's to me

1238
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:38,000
has always felt like my connection to

1239
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:39,599
the consciousness like i'm reaching into

1240
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:41,680
this conscious pool of knowledge and i'm

1241
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:43,520
able to kind of take out of it and it

1242
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:45,119
has nothing to do with me controlling it

1243
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:47,040
and everything to do with it controlling

1244
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:48,880
me

1245
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:51,200
wow now i have a i have a question i'll

1246
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:53,359
follow up to that one jamie so what do

1247
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:55,200
you think so

1248
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:00,630
is there a difference between regular

1249
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:02,240
dreams i think there's different types

1250
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:04,480
of dreams yeah for sure based on how

1251
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:06,560
busy your mind

1252
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:07,520
is

1253
00:47:13,109 --> 00:47:10,720
if you are so overloaded

1254
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:13,119
you know it i mean okay so sleeping is

1255
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:14,480
the state of the body right this is

1256
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:16,880
where i was going so at night we're just

1257
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:19,280
our bodies are asleep but our minds are

1258
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:20,880
still up how is that different than

1259
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:23,359
during the day except that you have less

1260
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:25,920
of the business and you probably see

1261
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:29,760
more but again if you are able to have

1262
00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:32,319
those experiences

1263
00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:34,480
in the day right if you're one of those

1264
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:37,599
people that happens to be connected then

1265
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:40,480
you know their nighttime would also be

1266
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:43,359
the same so maybe the lucid dreams are

1267
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:46,079
the actual you know views into what's

1268
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:48,319
really there but you know for the rest

1269
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:49,200
of us

1270
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:50,960
our minds are so busy just like they are

1271
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:53,200
during the day when we can't i mean i'm

1272
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:55,520
addie as hell i was to say i have 80

1273
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:01,270
yeah i can't and i can't focus and even

1274
00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:03,760
when i try to meditate it's just very

1275
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:05,200
very difficult

1276
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:06,880
i would think in i have practice

1277
00:48:11,829 --> 00:48:09,520
struggles now with dreaming i barely

1278
00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:11,839
dream yeah i barely drink it i have very

1279
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:14,319
light you know so i'm wondering what's

1280
00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:17,040
the difference that the body's asleep

1281
00:48:21,750 --> 00:48:19,119
i mean i've i've had sleep

1282
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:21,760
this happen so honestly

1283
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:23,520
what i think it is personally for me is

1284
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:25,760
like i think that bree has a much deeper

1285
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:27,599
connection to consciousness than i do i

1286
00:48:32,069 --> 00:48:30,079
think that she's actively

1287
00:48:34,630 --> 00:48:32,079
it's like a it's like a sport right

1288
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:34,640
she's um she's practicing she's she's

1289
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:36,720
using that muscle and doing it i am not

1290
00:48:40,390 --> 00:48:38,720
actively doing that i'm not actively

1291
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:40,400
trying to constantly work on my

1292
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:42,160
meditation and stuff like that where you

1293
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:43,839
know she has so i think a lot of it has

1294
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:45,200
to do with intent you know what i mean

1295
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:47,359
so if you aren't like one thing i know

1296
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:48,400
that brie does i don't want to speak on

1297
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:50,480
brie but like brie likes to ask

1298
00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:52,000
questions to her consciousness in the

1299
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:53,599
sleep like she'll before she goes to bed

1300
00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:54,880
she'll think of maybe a question or a

1301
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:56,960
problem that she has and she asks it to

1302
00:49:00,790 --> 00:48:59,119
her dream self how can i solve this or

1303
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:00,800
things like that i don't do stuff like

1304
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:03,520
that so maybe if i actively did i would

1305
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:05,359
be participating in those lucid dreams a

1306
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:07,280
lot more but i just find it harder for

1307
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:08,960
me to concentrate so i tend to not do

1308
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:11,440
those things so maybe it's just about

1309
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:13,119
you know a partition a participation

1310
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:14,480
level and opening yourself up to that

1311
00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:16,319
having to commit to that because isn't

1312
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,839
that half the battle you know like when

1313
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:19,440
it comes to this phenomenon it's about

1314
00:49:23,349 --> 00:49:21,839
committing and opening up to that

1315
00:49:26,470 --> 00:49:23,359
you could ask keller williams that meant

1316
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:26,480
that man got some dreams

1317
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:30,960
you

1318
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:33,200
opening up to everything though

1319
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:35,040
i mean isn't it about

1320
00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:37,359
mastering anything seems like um it

1321
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:39,280
opens your mind to

1322
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:41,359
the phenomenon as a whole because you're

1323
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:43,599
saying that you express yourself through

1324
00:49:48,230 --> 00:49:45,359
maybe through meditation

1325
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:48,240
whereas you know jamie maybe through

1326
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:49,920
talking i mean you're really good at

1327
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:51,680
expressing yourself vocally

1328
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:53,680
you're you're great at it i envy you i

1329
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:55,599
do it too much i know

1330
00:49:59,109 --> 00:49:57,599
no no it's not a bad thing for me i i

1331
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:59,119
guess it would be um

1332
00:50:03,349 --> 00:50:00,640
maybe music because you know i'm a

1333
00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:03,359
musician that's how i tap into it

1334
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:05,680
yeah i just i think it's interesting

1335
00:50:11,190 --> 00:50:08,319
so far how how about you yeah

1336
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:11,200
your expression i mean

1337
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:12,480
i don't know i haven't really really

1338
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:17,589
either i

1339
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:19,119
made it

1340
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:21,119
like when you're creating like

1341
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:23,040
okay fine why do you

1342
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:24,079
say

1343
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:25,359
i mean let me ask you a question when

1344
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:27,839
you're um creating your videos and you

1345
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:29,839
you find this um

1346
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:31,359
this space where you're just flowing

1347
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:32,640
everything's just coming out and you're

1348
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:34,160
not thinking

1349
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:36,400
you've experienced that right yeah every

1350
00:50:39,990 --> 00:50:38,400
single time yeah

1351
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:40,000
okay well that's that's what i'm saying

1352
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:41,599
that's how is that that's why they're

1353
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:44,160
weird videos because okay it's that

1354
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:45,680
connecting this

1355
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:48,559
like what do you think that's about

1356
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:51,200
i think it's it's

1357
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:53,599
it's about synchronicity and and being

1358
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:55,520
in the right head space which is in

1359
00:51:01,510 --> 00:50:57,760
itself would that be like a note or a

1360
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:03,589
you know thoughts have weight therefore

1361
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:06,160
they're operating at certain frequency

1362
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:08,240
frequency can be converted to sound then

1363
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:12,549
no going back to what you were saying

1364
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:14,559
earlier you asked how how do we define

1365
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:16,559
the line

1366
00:51:20,069 --> 00:51:17,680
and

1367
00:51:23,430 --> 00:51:20,079
i was i was thinking like it's through

1368
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:23,440
having these conversations and like now

1369
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:24,800
we can have a conversation with an

1370
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:26,400
experiencer or

1371
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:28,800
or something and take notes and that

1372
00:51:33,990 --> 00:51:31,119
that constitutes a case file

1373
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:34,000
like you've got a list of of

1374
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:36,640
facts of someone's perception

1375
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:38,800
and what if and the same as like project

1376
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:40,079
blue book that

1377
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:43,040
you take all of these accounts over

1378
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:44,480
years and years and years and look for

1379
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:45,680
patterns

1380
00:51:52,150 --> 00:51:50,880
recurring events you can

1381
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:52,160
discern

1382
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:54,800
what these lines potentially could be

1383
00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:56,400
and what may be what separates them in

1384
00:52:00,150 --> 00:51:58,559
certain cases or

1385
00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:00,160
yeah

1386
00:52:02,829 --> 00:52:01,920
it's less about the individual cases and

1387
00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:02,839
more

1388
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:05,680
about because like not every story is

1389
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:07,520
going to be real but when when you start

1390
00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:09,680
coming across

1391
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:13,040
unconnected cases that share a pattern

1392
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:15,200
over time

1393
00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:17,440
that that leads to a greater

1394
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:19,119
understanding of the subject and how it

1395
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:20,800
could potentially interlink with the

1396
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:22,319
other

1397
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:24,319
phenomenon

1398
00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:27,040
looking for the patterns yes

1399
00:52:31,030 --> 00:52:28,880
but in terms of flow i know a bit off

1400
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:31,040
topic there but

1401
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:33,760
the feeling about flow

1402
00:52:35,829 --> 00:52:35,040
is just

1403
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:35,839
it's

1404
00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:40,720
okay oh that will work oh that'll work

1405
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:42,559
and then it gets into a snowball and

1406
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:44,480
then the next thing i know i've got a 10

1407
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:51,109
yeah or or if you're trying to access

1408
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:52,480
something like you're you're in an

1409
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:54,480
endeavor you're trying to access that

1410
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:56,079
flow where it's moving but you're in an

1411
00:53:01,109 --> 00:52:58,480
alternating current like nikola tesla's

1412
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:01,119
alternating current but then

1413
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:03,520
that line that sine wave gets smaller

1414
00:53:07,270 --> 00:53:05,520
and smaller and now you're in like a

1415
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:07,280
direct current almost like thomas

1416
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:09,839
edison's direct current and is flowing

1417
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:12,559
right from your brain to your fingertips

1418
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:14,559
and is coming together and it's no

1419
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:16,640
longer a sine wave but it's just direct

1420
00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:18,800
current and maybe that's that's the flow

1421
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:21,280
state maybe it's kind of a conversion

1422
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:23,760
process because i quite often i'll know

1423
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:26,160
what it's going to be and then i can

1424
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:27,680
plot it out in my head what i'm going to

1425
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:28,960
do

1426
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:30,480
because sometimes it's not like i'm sat

1427
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:33,280
at the computer when i have the idea

1428
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:35,359
so i've i can do it in my head and then

1429
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:37,040
when i get there it's very easy for me

1430
00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:38,880
to just go oh boo because i've already

1431
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:40,240
plotted out in my head but it's still

1432
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:42,559
that kind of

1433
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:45,040
it comes out

1434
00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:47,520
in a way like through like i make the

1435
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:49,280
joke like oh i just click buttons but

1436
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:50,400
like

1437
00:53:54,069 --> 00:53:52,079
it's through the

1438
00:53:56,150 --> 00:53:54,079
intent of clicking the buttons that the

1439
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:56,160
art happens

1440
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:57,359
so

1441
00:54:03,270 --> 00:54:00,960
is the art the clicking or is the art

1442
00:54:05,349 --> 00:54:03,280
the thoughts that make the click happen

1443
00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:05,359
it's the channeling it's

1444
00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:07,440
channeling in a sense yeah that's what i

1445
00:54:12,069 --> 00:54:09,359
think that's what channeling is you're

1446
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:12,079
you're getting into that state of just

1447
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:14,720
the flow but it's tapping in it's

1448
00:54:19,589 --> 00:54:17,040
tapping into that flow state

1449
00:54:22,390 --> 00:54:19,599
and i can't make videos like kari so i

1450
00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:22,400
don't usually have the end goal but like

1451
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:24,800
we'll have a guest and i won't know

1452
00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:27,040
much about them or what to do and

1453
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:28,880
sometimes i'm just like i have no idea

1454
00:54:32,309 --> 00:54:30,400
what to do and then i just sit in front

1455
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:32,319
of the computer and start looking at

1456
00:54:37,589 --> 00:54:34,880
pictures and then before i know it i've

1457
00:54:40,789 --> 00:54:37,599
done a intro video for them but it's

1458
00:54:42,870 --> 00:54:40,799
like just taking the active step

1459
00:54:44,950 --> 00:54:42,880
looking at things and then it's like the

1460
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:44,960
inspiration just comes and then it's

1461
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:47,040
like you're saying dj where it's like

1462
00:54:50,789 --> 00:54:48,559
you're in this weird current and then

1463
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:50,799
all of a sudden it's just so streamlined

1464
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:52,319
and you have something completed where

1465
00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:53,599
you're like oh well where the hell did

1466
00:54:57,030 --> 00:54:55,040
that come from it just kind of was it

1467
00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:57,040
like does it transition process would

1468
00:55:02,069 --> 00:55:00,559
that be more like a transmission process

1469
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:02,079
because it's like going from one to the

1470
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:03,040
other

1471
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:05,359
and you're transm at least transmuting

1472
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:06,960
that from

1473
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:08,880
thought to

1474
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:11,599
photons or binary or whatever

1475
00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:14,079
through clicks it was totally an analogy

1476
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:16,559
but definitely not a direct correlation

1477
00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:18,160
well it kind of argues

1478
00:55:22,789 --> 00:55:21,200
because it's a different

1479
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:22,799
it's like trans medium thoughts and

1480
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:24,960
ideas

1481
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:26,559
there's also the time factor you've got

1482
00:55:31,109 --> 00:55:28,720
to take into account you know time

1483
00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:31,119
is always it's it's yanks it's not there

1484
00:55:35,829 --> 00:55:33,280
is no present there is no past there's

1485
00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:35,839
no future it's just always there there's

1486
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:37,760
a big picture and i think

1487
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:40,480
that flow is connected to all of that

1488
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:43,359
i just i can't grasp that it's

1489
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:45,520
beyond me right now can i i've got to

1490
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:48,480
leave

1491
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:50,160
yeah we're going to go through final

1492
00:55:55,270 --> 00:55:52,079
questions but go ahead yes ma'am

1493
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:55,280
oh i'm sorry are we wrapping up and

1494
00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:57,839
go right in no no i have to leave

1495
00:56:01,190 --> 00:55:59,599
no you didn't do it

1496
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:01,200
i'm sorry i forgot you had to leave go

1497
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:03,920
for it yeah i just wanted to say bye to

1498
00:56:07,750 --> 00:56:06,319
you guys thanks for being here bye kevin

1499
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:07,760
kevin

1500
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:09,359
i've got to do a i've got to do a

1501
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:12,160
working thing so we love you

1502
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:13,680
good to see you kevin

1503
00:56:18,309 --> 00:56:16,480
kevin it's good to see you what kind of

1504
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:18,319
conditioner do you use that's none of my

1505
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:20,480
business anyway all right parenting okay

1506
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:22,480
thank you thank you appreciate it

1507
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:24,640
the answer trash

1508
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:25,680
bye guys

1509
00:56:31,430 --> 00:56:26,880
bye

1510
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:31,440
all right um man that was a that's a

1511
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:34,319
great uh deep discussion topic and i

1512
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:36,799
could see somebody licking their chops

1513
00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:38,240
in the top left corner of the screen

1514
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:39,359
because when you start talking about

1515
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:41,760
time nathan's got a great spiel about

1516
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:45,119
time man i love it oh well i mean

1517
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:46,240
yeah yeah let me get to that a second

1518
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:47,599
but so one thing i want to say is if you

1519
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:48,880
ever if you've ever

1520
00:56:54,390 --> 00:56:52,319
bri have you ever heard of galantamine

1521
00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:54,400
so you can you can google it or get it

1522
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:56,079
on amazon or

1523
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:57,520
maybe you can get it elsewhere but it's

1524
00:57:01,750 --> 00:57:00,400
a supplement and it's pretty um

1525
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:01,760
i think it's pretty harmless from what

1526
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:04,000
i've you know researched about it but

1527
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:06,160
basically it's a supplement that

1528
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:08,720
enhances lucid dreaming

1529
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:11,040
and you're supposed to um the way that

1530
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:12,480
they recommend you take it is you go to

1531
00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:14,400
bed and you wake up at like four in the

1532
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:16,079
morning you take it at that point and

1533
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:17,520
you go back to sleep

1534
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:19,359
because when you when you wake up then

1535
00:57:22,630 --> 00:57:20,880
and you re-enter sleep you're like

1536
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:22,640
re-entering right in the rim cycle which

1537
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:23,599
is

1538
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:24,880
happening

1539
00:57:28,470 --> 00:57:26,960
that's always the craziest for me so

1540
00:57:30,789 --> 00:57:28,480
anyway that might be worth checking out

1541
00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:30,799
i've always been curious to try it uh

1542
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:33,200
and uh i know my my friend next so

1543
00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:35,200
academia he's doing it and he's had some

1544
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:38,960
pretty pretty amazing dreams on it wow

1545
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:40,480
so anyway that's kind of cool

1546
00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:42,079
um that's interesting

1547
00:57:47,190 --> 00:57:45,119
yeah black glass galanta mean

1548
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:47,200
galanta mean

1549
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:49,440
you know i i read something about sleep

1550
00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:50,640
it was like a

1551
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:52,000
an ancient culture i can't remember

1552
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:53,680
which culture but they had a it was

1553
00:57:59,589 --> 00:57:56,640
called like bimodal sleep so sleep for

1554
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:59,599
four or five hours and then gabby does

1555
00:58:02,230 --> 00:58:01,440
journal

1556
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:02,240
right

1557
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:04,960
dream interpret and then because of this

1558
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:06,160
heightened

1559
00:58:08,710 --> 00:58:06,880
uh

1560
00:58:10,230 --> 00:58:08,720
dream state when you go back to sleep

1561
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:10,240
the second time

1562
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:12,160
then they would consciously re-enter the

1563
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:13,359
dream realm

1564
00:58:16,789 --> 00:58:14,880
and then interact with spirit guides and

1565
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:16,799
then have more ruminations on whatever

1566
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:19,200
they were like thinking about

1567
00:58:22,309 --> 00:58:21,040
it's pretty interesting yeah and yeah

1568
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:22,319
makes a lot of sense

1569
00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:23,760
now if i wake up in the middle of the

1570
00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:26,160
night and go back to sleep guaranteed

1571
00:58:30,309 --> 00:58:28,079
the second sleep i have a lucid dream

1572
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:30,319
every time oh for sure what's

1573
00:58:35,750 --> 00:58:32,880
interesting about that is sleep

1574
00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:35,760
slip sleep routine actually for um us

1575
00:58:41,589 --> 00:58:38,880
has changed and even uh in the western

1576
00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:41,599
culture you look at it um that's why and

1577
00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:43,680
uh was it the night before

1578
00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:46,000
christmas they're saying they had a nap

1579
00:58:48,490 --> 00:58:47,839
like because they they used to break

1580
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:48,500
their sleep

1581
00:58:51,589 --> 00:58:50,640
[Music]

1582
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:51,599
and we

1583
00:58:55,109 --> 00:58:53,599
have only recently like been pushing

1584
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:55,119
this you have to be asleep for eight

1585
00:58:58,630 --> 00:58:57,280
hours

1586
00:59:00,549 --> 00:58:58,640
other cultures around the world don't do

1587
00:59:02,230 --> 00:59:00,559
that like places like china and japan

1588
00:59:03,829 --> 00:59:02,240
and stuff have these like nap lodges

1589
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:03,839
that you go in the middle of the day and

1590
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:05,760
can take naps in for like you know you

1591
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:07,359
can rent them for five to you know two

1592
00:59:10,870 --> 00:59:08,799
hours or whatever you need them for but

1593
00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:10,880
it's it's encouraged in the culture and

1594
00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:12,160
especially like in the workplace and

1595
00:59:14,789 --> 00:59:13,440
stuff is actually if you're seen taking

1596
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:14,799
a nap it means that you've been working

1597
00:59:21,670 --> 00:59:19,589
italy in hard spain has a siesta i don't

1598
00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:21,680
remember what they call it in italy but

1599
00:59:25,829 --> 00:59:23,920
italy i've seen people like at lunchtime

1600
00:59:27,510 --> 00:59:25,839
just beat feet to their house they go

1601
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:27,520
home have their bowl of pasta and sleep

1602
00:59:32,069 --> 00:59:29,520
and then go back to work i can't

1603
00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:32,079
i just cannot nap i've never been a

1604
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:34,640
napper i can't do it i'm more like i

1605
00:59:39,349 --> 00:59:37,440
wake up i do my day and then

1606
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:39,359
i barely i barely sleep i don't know

1607
00:59:48,549 --> 00:59:46,549
if i nap i wake up and i'm so confused

1608
00:59:50,069 --> 00:59:48,559
that i hate napping because i'm like is

1609
00:59:51,589 --> 00:59:50,079
it good time is that morning is it

1610
00:59:54,390 --> 00:59:51,599
nighttime where am i i don't wake up

1611
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:54,400
confused yeah you wake up

1612
01:00:00,150 --> 00:59:56,640
for the rest of the day it's 20 97 and

1613
01:00:02,150 --> 01:00:00,160
it's where am i yeah

1614
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:02,160
i get these like bad thoughts like

1615
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:04,400
you're being lazy it's the daytime

1616
01:00:07,829 --> 01:00:06,000
there's things that you should be doing

1617
01:00:09,510 --> 01:00:07,839
get up it's like those are the

1618
01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:09,520
voices i hear when i think should i have

1619
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:10,799
an app

1620
01:00:16,309 --> 01:00:14,000
i did i did want to say

1621
01:00:18,549 --> 01:00:16,319
there's some substances like apparently

1622
01:00:20,710 --> 01:00:18,559
marijuana that do the opposite to lucid

1623
01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:20,720
dreams though so like if if someone's

1624
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:22,240
out there going i'm trying all these

1625
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:24,000
different things but they're smoking the

1626
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:26,240
right kind of weed to be fair i smoke a

1627
01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:27,680
lot of the devil's lettuce so that's

1628
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:29,440
probably why i don't dream

1629
01:00:33,190 --> 01:00:30,720
oh yeah

1630
01:00:34,870 --> 01:00:33,200
so the white and i dream all the time so

1631
01:00:36,789 --> 01:00:34,880
yeah i think maybe it depends on the

1632
01:00:39,750 --> 01:00:36,799
person but i think that maybe we'll have

1633
01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:39,760
actually used it for ptsd for that

1634
01:00:48,150 --> 01:00:46,390
smoking weed to like fully activate the

1635
01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:48,160
plant in the shamanic sense in terms of

1636
01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:51,440
meditation so yeah

1637
01:00:55,349 --> 01:00:53,200
different levels of it

1638
01:00:59,589 --> 01:00:55,359
guys i'm feeling something right now is

1639
01:01:06,789 --> 01:01:02,520
yes [\h__\h] sugary yes

1640
01:01:08,309 --> 01:01:06,799
[Music]

1641
01:01:09,910 --> 01:01:08,319
free hates jerry

1642
01:01:11,510 --> 01:01:09,920
and you can't be murdered which is he

1643
01:01:14,870 --> 01:01:11,520
can't be murdered here but one that

1644
01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:14,880
doesn't say he's gonna go quick

1645
01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:17,440
quick jerry break everybody

1646
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:18,960
brought to you by jerry

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01:01:32,630 --> 01:01:30,710
[Laughter]

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01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:32,640
i would say magnesium is also good for

1649
01:01:36,069 --> 01:01:34,319
uh for dreams and sleeping if you want

1650
01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:36,079
to try that um that's probably more

1651
01:01:42,069 --> 01:01:39,359
popular but um so programming want to

1652
01:01:43,829 --> 01:01:42,079
come back to that we programming is like

1653
01:01:45,750 --> 01:01:43,839
i think most people aren't aware of the

1654
01:01:47,510 --> 01:01:45,760
fact that we are super programmed like

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01:01:49,589 --> 01:01:47,520
from when we're born

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01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:49,599
when we die and that's why meditation is

1657
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:51,440
like a good tool and and i say this

1658
01:01:55,190 --> 01:01:52,960
because jamie actually resonated a lot

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01:01:57,109 --> 01:01:55,200
with you i'm not a great meditator i

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01:01:59,109 --> 01:01:57,119
like doing it but i'm not good at making

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01:02:00,630 --> 01:01:59,119
any practice so i'm really trying to get

1662
01:02:02,309 --> 01:02:00,640
better at making it a practice because

1663
01:02:05,670 --> 01:02:02,319
when i do it i really enjoy it but

1664
01:02:07,910 --> 01:02:05,680
meditation is basically an escape from

1665
01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:07,920
this kind of programming and that's

1666
01:02:11,029 --> 01:02:09,520
similar to what we were talking about

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01:02:12,870 --> 01:02:11,039
earlier about

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01:02:15,990 --> 01:02:12,880
doing something intentional so when

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01:02:18,150 --> 01:02:16,000
you're when you're creating music or art

1670
01:02:20,230 --> 01:02:18,160
when you're meditating you are breaking

1671
01:02:22,870 --> 01:02:20,240
that programming and your intent your

1672
01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:22,880
intent is focused on something else and

1673
01:02:27,750 --> 01:02:24,960
that's just as you said it is a muscle

1674
01:02:30,069 --> 01:02:27,760
it is a kind of thing that you have to

1675
01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:30,079
work on and strengthen and i believe

1676
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:32,480
that if we did that more often and it

1677
01:02:36,150 --> 01:02:34,319
doesn't have to be purely this kind of

1678
01:02:37,829 --> 01:02:36,160
eastern meditation that i think we've

1679
01:02:39,910 --> 01:02:37,839
got a little hung up on that and i'm not

1680
01:02:42,309 --> 01:02:39,920
saying it's bad it is great but it can

1681
01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:42,319
be a lot of things just doing something

1682
01:02:46,230 --> 01:02:44,880
intentional that is associatively

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01:02:48,150 --> 01:02:46,240
creative

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01:02:51,190 --> 01:02:48,160
has a power to it and it is sort of

1685
01:02:53,270 --> 01:02:51,200
tapping into the sort of root of

1686
01:02:55,510 --> 01:02:53,280
consciousness which is what which i

1687
01:02:56,390 --> 01:02:55,520
would agree we are all apart

1688
01:02:58,230 --> 01:02:56,400
so

1689
01:03:00,309 --> 01:02:58,240
when we talk about people with multiple

1690
01:03:02,470 --> 01:03:00,319
personalities you know we we know that

1691
01:03:04,069 --> 01:03:02,480
people can have disassociated

1692
01:03:06,710 --> 01:03:04,079
personalities

1693
01:03:08,789 --> 01:03:06,720
that happen in their brains so much so

1694
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:08,799
that a person can have a disassociated

1695
01:03:12,309 --> 01:03:10,799
personality that can't see

1696
01:03:13,910 --> 01:03:12,319
and when they go into that personality

1697
01:03:16,950 --> 01:03:13,920
they literally the part of their brain

1698
01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:16,960
is associated with sight is turned off

1699
01:03:22,390 --> 01:03:19,200
all right so consciousness is the exact

1700
01:03:25,510 --> 01:03:22,400
same thing we are disassociated pieces

1701
01:03:27,109 --> 01:03:25,520
of larger consciousness of consciousness

1702
01:03:29,349 --> 01:03:27,119
mind at large

1703
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:29,359
and that's all that's all that it is and

1704
01:03:32,789 --> 01:03:31,200
you know we we feel this intuitively

1705
01:03:36,069 --> 01:03:32,799
because when we connect with each other

1706
01:03:38,549 --> 01:03:36,079
in a meaningful way we we we can we we

1707
01:03:41,349 --> 01:03:38,559
know it we know we are actually more

1708
01:03:44,549 --> 01:03:41,359
deeply and intimately related than we

1709
01:03:46,630 --> 01:03:44,559
than we have imagined that we are and i

1710
01:03:47,750 --> 01:03:46,640
you know i just i would encourage folks

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01:03:49,589 --> 01:03:47,760
to

1712
01:03:51,510 --> 01:03:49,599
you know find that thing in your life

1713
01:03:52,230 --> 01:03:51,520
that gives you joy

1714
01:03:56,789 --> 01:03:52,240
and

1715
01:03:59,510 --> 01:03:56,799
find that it will just happen it'll

1716
01:04:00,870 --> 01:03:59,520
it'll flow well and i think that people

1717
01:04:03,510 --> 01:04:00,880
oh sorry i was saying i think that

1718
01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:03,520
people mistake uh meditation too they

1719
01:04:06,069 --> 01:04:04,720
think you have to just like sit there

1720
01:04:07,750 --> 01:04:06,079
with your hands like this and home or

1721
01:04:09,670 --> 01:04:07,760
something there's so many versions of

1722
01:04:11,029 --> 01:04:09,680
meditation like

1723
01:04:12,309 --> 01:04:11,039
what you're talking about you find

1724
01:04:14,230 --> 01:04:12,319
something you're passionate about you

1725
01:04:15,910 --> 01:04:14,240
get in that zone and you you you

1726
01:04:17,029 --> 01:04:15,920
disconnect from everything and connect

1727
01:04:19,029 --> 01:04:17,039
to that thing that you're passionate

1728
01:04:20,150 --> 01:04:19,039
about and that's really what meditation

1729
01:04:21,829 --> 01:04:20,160
is at the end of the day like you're

1730
01:04:23,589 --> 01:04:21,839
hooking into something you have intent

1731
01:04:25,109 --> 01:04:23,599
you have you have the structure and this

1732
01:04:26,950 --> 01:04:25,119
purpose and you're blocking out

1733
01:04:28,230 --> 01:04:26,960
everything else while doing it and we

1734
01:04:30,710 --> 01:04:28,240
just need to do more of that

1735
01:04:32,390 --> 01:04:30,720
disconnecting from this this earth realm

1736
01:04:34,230 --> 01:04:32,400
and more connecting within ourselves and

1737
01:04:35,750 --> 01:04:34,240
and what makes us happy and what gives

1738
01:04:38,829 --> 01:04:35,760
us passion and joy

1739
01:04:42,549 --> 01:04:38,839
high risk coming off the monkey mind

1740
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:42,559
is on like singular deities and like the

1741
01:04:48,309 --> 01:04:43,680
oneness

1742
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:48,319
the externalization and kind of

1743
01:04:51,910 --> 01:04:50,160
idolization of the one

1744
01:04:54,390 --> 01:04:51,920
in terms of like

1745
01:04:55,750 --> 01:04:54,400
you know muhammad buddha

1746
01:04:57,270 --> 01:04:55,760
uh jesus

1747
01:04:59,029 --> 01:04:57,280
yeah

1748
01:05:01,190 --> 01:04:59,039
is that is that why religion's gonna run

1749
01:05:03,109 --> 01:05:01,200
i think it's what i'm getting at is is

1750
01:05:05,109 --> 01:05:03,119
this understanding of

1751
01:05:08,069 --> 01:05:05,119
this wanting to feel like something

1752
01:05:10,230 --> 01:05:08,079
larger because we feel it intuitively

1753
01:05:11,349 --> 01:05:10,240
but then religion through a power

1754
01:05:13,829 --> 01:05:11,359
structure

1755
01:05:15,990 --> 01:05:13,839
kind of flips the script and goes

1756
01:05:18,390 --> 01:05:16,000
focus all your energy outwardly onto

1757
01:05:19,510 --> 01:05:18,400
this thing instead of inwardly

1758
01:05:20,470 --> 01:05:19,520
in terms of

1759
01:05:22,710 --> 01:05:20,480
looking for your own kind of

1760
01:05:24,470 --> 01:05:22,720
understanding yeah direction could be a

1761
01:05:25,829 --> 01:05:24,480
good gateway part of it

1762
01:05:27,990 --> 01:05:25,839
right

1763
01:05:30,150 --> 01:05:28,000
i think it's a great gateway

1764
01:05:32,710 --> 01:05:30,160
i agree and it is directionality guard

1765
01:05:36,309 --> 01:05:32,720
to your point i mean it's out or in out

1766
01:05:38,789 --> 01:05:36,319
or in right and that oneness is 100 been

1767
01:05:41,029 --> 01:05:38,799
manipulated in western religion as a as

1768
01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:41,039
a political power structure you know you

1769
01:05:44,710 --> 01:05:42,960
you have an alignment with the one you

1770
01:05:46,630 --> 01:05:44,720
have the power you're the priestly class

1771
01:05:48,470 --> 01:05:46,640
you're you're the king who can speak to

1772
01:05:50,630 --> 01:05:48,480
the priests and you know like

1773
01:05:52,069 --> 01:05:50,640
you you make the decisions right but but

1774
01:05:54,309 --> 01:05:52,079
in eastern traditions it is more

1775
01:05:55,510 --> 01:05:54,319
inwardly focused and and that that is a

1776
01:05:56,309 --> 01:05:55,520
flatter

1777
01:05:59,270 --> 01:05:56,319
uh

1778
01:06:00,870 --> 01:05:59,280
in a sort of communitarian structure

1779
01:06:02,150 --> 01:06:00,880
i think we see the same kind of format

1780
01:06:02,829 --> 01:06:02,160
in these kind of

1781
01:06:07,270 --> 01:06:02,839
new

1782
01:06:09,510 --> 01:06:07,280
age ufo groups like oh i i i'm a

1783
01:06:10,870 --> 01:06:09,520
five-dimensional

1784
01:06:15,910 --> 01:06:10,880
you know

1785
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:20,390
it's the same kind of like

1786
01:06:23,589 --> 01:06:22,470
same kind of structure where they they

1787
01:06:25,829 --> 01:06:23,599
come to me

1788
01:06:28,309 --> 01:06:25,839
yeah the science i am i am the the

1789
01:06:29,910 --> 01:06:28,319
throughput of this information you can't

1790
01:06:31,510 --> 01:06:29,920
find it anywhere else you can't look

1791
01:06:32,870 --> 01:06:31,520
within and find it

1792
01:06:34,470 --> 01:06:32,880
you have to come to me pay me three

1793
01:06:35,430 --> 01:06:34,480
hundred and thirty three dollars to find

1794
01:06:38,069 --> 01:06:35,440
out more

1795
01:06:40,230 --> 01:06:38,079
i'll give you something too

1796
01:06:41,670 --> 01:06:40,240
if everyone knew that

1797
01:06:43,589 --> 01:06:41,680
power

1798
01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:43,599
to connect to source the same way to

1799
01:06:48,069 --> 01:06:46,720
forgive themselves for mistakes to ask

1800
01:06:51,109 --> 01:06:48,079
for help

1801
01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:51,119
um you know i have this feeling like

1802
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:52,559
when there's a group of people and

1803
01:06:55,750 --> 01:06:54,880
they're all praising god and they feel

1804
01:06:58,150 --> 01:06:55,760
that

1805
01:07:00,789 --> 01:06:58,160
divine presence

1806
01:07:02,950 --> 01:07:00,799
who's to say all

1807
01:07:05,270 --> 01:07:02,960
praying to ourselves to our higher

1808
01:07:07,910 --> 01:07:05,280
selves to all of sorts there and it's

1809
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:07,920
just a reflection of us connecting to

1810
01:07:12,390 --> 01:07:09,599
ourselves

1811
01:07:15,670 --> 01:07:12,400
but because it's such a tangible feeling

1812
01:07:17,430 --> 01:07:15,680
it feels like oh this is the only way

1813
01:07:19,270 --> 01:07:17,440
when in reality i feel like it's just

1814
01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:19,280
because we're all

1815
01:07:24,549 --> 01:07:21,680
celebrating something special which is

1816
01:07:33,589 --> 01:07:24,559
just sentience you know it's it's the

1817
01:07:37,190 --> 01:07:35,670
in our oracle card readings it's like

1818
01:07:39,109 --> 01:07:37,200
we're doing this for the collective but

1819
01:07:41,829 --> 01:07:39,119
we're like

1820
01:07:44,789 --> 01:07:41,839
subset of people but technically if

1821
01:07:47,349 --> 01:07:44,799
we're all part of one big you know

1822
01:07:50,870 --> 01:07:47,359
big network of

1823
01:07:53,670 --> 01:07:50,880
frequencies and experiences and you know

1824
01:07:55,430 --> 01:07:53,680
and all of it it's like cloud computing

1825
01:07:57,589 --> 01:07:55,440
you're uploading everything to the cloud

1826
01:08:00,230 --> 01:07:57,599
you know what if everything that goes

1827
01:08:01,910 --> 01:08:00,240
there you know is it i mean it's it's

1828
01:08:03,910 --> 01:08:01,920
just a trip it's like it could all be

1829
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:03,920
accessible i mean it's all kind of

1830
01:08:08,150 --> 01:08:06,480
it just starts to make sense to me can i

1831
01:08:11,510 --> 01:08:08,160
chime in on that

1832
01:08:14,549 --> 01:08:11,520
yes please i'm beginning to suspect that

1833
01:08:16,470 --> 01:08:14,559
some of that is not so external like

1834
01:08:19,269 --> 01:08:16,480
other plane or

1835
01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:19,279
uh as some people think you know coming

1836
01:08:22,229 --> 01:08:20,080
from

1837
01:08:24,870 --> 01:08:22,239
another dimension but some of it may

1838
01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:24,880
actually be internal like written in our

1839
01:08:31,430 --> 01:08:28,000
dna and we just kind of unlock that

1840
01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:31,440
like that collective consciousness piece

1841
01:08:36,550 --> 01:08:32,880
it seems like some of that's just kind

1842
01:08:38,789 --> 01:08:36,560
of coming out from within

1843
01:08:41,430 --> 01:08:38,799
i was going to say to bree that which or

1844
01:08:44,229 --> 01:08:41,440
to her point and that's interesting tie

1845
01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:44,239
in there deb is that that's what yoga is

1846
01:08:50,070 --> 01:08:47,120
yoga is a connection with yourself

1847
01:08:52,950 --> 01:08:50,080
it's a which is why i abort when i go to

1848
01:08:55,189 --> 01:08:52,960
a yoga studio and just and the the

1849
01:08:56,470 --> 01:08:55,199
everybody's looking in the mirror and

1850
01:08:59,749 --> 01:08:56,480
that's what's up

1851
01:09:02,630 --> 01:08:59,759
that's a great but a lot of yogis have

1852
01:09:04,309 --> 01:09:02,640
that book um but yeah it's it's a a

1853
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:04,319
connection with yourself

1854
01:09:10,229 --> 01:09:06,400
through breathing and asana the the

1855
01:09:12,709 --> 01:09:10,239
entire yoga practice of asana is only to

1856
01:09:13,430 --> 01:09:12,719
prepare yourself for meditation

1857
01:09:16,309 --> 01:09:13,440
so

1858
01:09:19,030 --> 01:09:16,319
of the diana and pratyahara and all

1859
01:09:21,590 --> 01:09:19,040
these other of the limbs of yoga uh the

1860
01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:21,600
asana part of the third limb is all

1861
01:09:25,189 --> 01:09:23,759
really a preparation for the rest of

1862
01:09:27,749 --> 01:09:25,199
those limbs so

1863
01:09:33,030 --> 01:09:27,759
anyway just uh i just like shavashna

1864
01:09:38,149 --> 01:09:35,110
but but can i just say something okay if

1865
01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:38,159
you're in shavasana now now shavasana is

1866
01:09:42,229 --> 01:09:40,560
obviously it it represents the death of

1867
01:09:44,149 --> 01:09:42,239
your practice that means

1868
01:09:47,110 --> 01:09:44,159
the start of a new day but if you were

1869
01:09:49,349 --> 01:09:47,120
just in mountain pose or even in child's

1870
01:09:51,510 --> 01:09:49,359
pose for the entire practice and you're

1871
01:09:54,390 --> 01:09:51,520
just inhaling and exhaling through your

1872
01:09:56,229 --> 01:09:54,400
nose allowing your diaphragm to expand

1873
01:09:59,110 --> 01:09:56,239
inhale exhale bring your navel toward

1874
01:10:01,350 --> 01:09:59,120
your spine you're practicing and you any

1875
01:10:02,790 --> 01:10:01,360
yoga teacher that says anything is not a

1876
01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:02,800
real yoga teacher because i would be

1877
01:10:07,430 --> 01:10:04,960
like that girl's getting it right there

1878
01:10:09,350 --> 01:10:07,440
because she is doing her right now and

1879
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:09,360
that's when you you know the ego part of

1880
01:10:13,750 --> 01:10:11,760
yoga is they have to follow me you don't

1881
01:10:16,470 --> 01:10:13,760
have to follow me i'm a yoga teacher you

1882
01:10:18,630 --> 01:10:16,480
do you and if you're at my pace great

1883
01:10:20,870 --> 01:10:18,640
but your pace is the right pace

1884
01:10:23,350 --> 01:10:20,880
and your practice is the right practice

1885
01:10:25,350 --> 01:10:23,360
your pose whatever that looks like

1886
01:10:26,790 --> 01:10:25,360
that's the right pose those are the

1887
01:10:28,310 --> 01:10:26,800
right kinds of teachers though because i

1888
01:10:29,990 --> 01:10:28,320
don't think everybody approaches it in

1889
01:10:31,510 --> 01:10:30,000
that way i think that's a big problem

1890
01:10:33,510 --> 01:10:31,520
and it's in what you're saying the ego

1891
01:10:35,669 --> 01:10:33,520
gets in the way it's about i have to

1892
01:10:37,750 --> 01:10:35,679
show you how to do it yeah

1893
01:10:39,110 --> 01:10:37,760
yeah and i think that this subject in

1894
01:10:40,950 --> 01:10:39,120
this topic needs to stop being

1895
01:10:42,550 --> 01:10:40,960
approached that way in general and part

1896
01:10:44,149 --> 01:10:42,560
of it is our own fault because we like

1897
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:44,159
to idolize people we like to have

1898
01:10:47,590 --> 01:10:45,600
celebrities and stuff and i think that

1899
01:10:49,669 --> 01:10:47,600
we need to stop doing that so much and

1900
01:10:51,669 --> 01:10:49,679
stop stop at the end of the day we're

1901
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:51,679
the ones giving people so much weight to

1902
01:10:55,110 --> 01:10:53,280
their words right we're the ones who are

1903
01:10:56,870 --> 01:10:55,120
so dependent upon what they're saying if

1904
01:11:00,070 --> 01:10:56,880
we stop putting so much weight to that

1905
01:11:01,830 --> 01:11:00,080
then the egos start to drop away

1906
01:11:04,550 --> 01:11:01,840
with you man

1907
01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:04,560
i say i say that about about every time

1908
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:06,400
someone freaks out when mick west says

1909
01:11:09,430 --> 01:11:07,920
something and i said you're doing

1910
01:11:12,229 --> 01:11:09,440
exactly what he wants every time you

1911
01:11:14,310 --> 01:11:12,239
repeat him and tweet him he loves it uh

1912
01:11:15,590 --> 01:11:14,320
because the more important

1913
01:11:17,669 --> 01:11:15,600
man you know

1914
01:11:19,590 --> 01:11:17,679
yeah he's a smart guy he's a smart guy

1915
01:11:22,310 --> 01:11:19,600
that's understood for some reason people

1916
01:11:23,910 --> 01:11:22,320
only like misunderstood yeah he's so

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01:11:26,070 --> 01:11:23,920
weird to hear

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01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:26,080
his perception of him is so interesting

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01:11:30,630 --> 01:11:28,480
the reason the reason no he's i'd have a

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01:11:32,709 --> 01:11:30,640
beer with a guy the reason that

1921
01:11:35,110 --> 01:11:32,719
uh people say these things about him is

1922
01:11:36,790 --> 01:11:35,120
because he comes at it pretending that

1923
01:11:39,110 --> 01:11:36,800
he's coming at it from a scientific

1924
01:11:40,950 --> 01:11:39,120
point of view but he has sort of uh

1925
01:11:43,030 --> 01:11:40,960
someone described it on uh i don't know

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01:11:44,870 --> 01:11:43,040
if it was on nathan where you were the

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01:11:47,110 --> 01:11:44,880
other night but it's a dishonest point

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01:11:49,510 --> 01:11:47,120
of view he's already decided what it is

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01:11:53,030 --> 01:11:49,520
and now he just needs to to try to find

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01:11:55,350 --> 01:11:53,040
a thread he can pull on to argue so he's

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01:11:57,750 --> 01:11:55,360
not what he's presenting himself to be

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01:11:59,590 --> 01:11:57,760
he's really smart guy i like the guy i

1933
01:12:01,030 --> 01:11:59,600
don't think he's bad for the community

1934
01:12:02,870 --> 01:12:01,040
or anything like that i don't think so

1935
01:12:05,189 --> 01:12:02,880
but he's but he's not honest in the way

1936
01:12:07,510 --> 01:12:05,199
that he approaches the topic he's has a

1937
01:12:09,590 --> 01:12:07,520
debunked brand that he must

1938
01:12:12,149 --> 01:12:09,600
put forth insane

1939
01:12:14,229 --> 01:12:12,159
he did say some things yesterday so we

1940
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:14,239
had him on butt stuff yesterday and he

1941
01:12:28,070 --> 01:12:19,830
he did

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01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:28,080
yeah i mean it's just you know if you

1943
01:12:34,149 --> 01:12:31,679
have like if you have a situation like a

1944
01:12:37,350 --> 01:12:34,159
tic tac and you have radar operators and

1945
01:12:39,030 --> 01:12:37,360
multiple pilots and and backseat whizzos

1946
01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:39,040
and then radar operators on other

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01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:40,800
aircraft saying i saw this and a guy

1948
01:12:46,149 --> 01:12:44,400
going well you know it's like you know

1949
01:12:48,470 --> 01:12:46,159
but i sound really stupid i think i

1950
01:12:49,590 --> 01:12:48,480
forget it he's a lay person i think that

1951
01:12:51,350 --> 01:12:49,600
that brings it back to the beginning of

1952
01:12:52,870 --> 01:12:51,360
our conversation though of we have to be

1953
01:12:54,229 --> 01:12:52,880
less critical of these people who are

1954
01:12:56,709 --> 01:12:54,239
experiencers and just trying to tell

1955
01:12:58,229 --> 01:12:56,719
your story like sometimes it's not i get

1956
01:12:59,910 --> 01:12:58,239
that people want facts and they want

1957
01:13:01,350 --> 01:12:59,920
evidence and stuff but sometimes it's

1958
01:13:03,350 --> 01:13:01,360
really not about that sometimes it's

1959
01:13:05,189 --> 01:13:03,360
just about hearing their story and not

1960
01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:05,199
having to analyze every single thing

1961
01:13:09,590 --> 01:13:07,040
that they say that's a good point and

1962
01:13:12,709 --> 01:13:09,600
those guys are experiencers while while

1963
01:13:16,310 --> 01:13:12,719
dave fravor does not talk about ptsd nor

1964
01:13:18,390 --> 01:13:16,320
alex uh kevin day definitely does shawn

1965
01:13:20,950 --> 01:13:18,400
cahill definitely does

1966
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:20,960
gary voorhees definitely does and i

1967
01:13:24,470 --> 01:13:22,320
think a lot of people don't want to

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01:13:26,229 --> 01:13:24,480
label themselves as experiencers because

1969
01:13:28,229 --> 01:13:26,239
that that title and that name holds some

1970
01:13:29,590 --> 01:13:28,239
type of stigma against it especially

1971
01:13:32,229 --> 01:13:29,600
with people in the military you don't

1972
01:13:34,070 --> 01:13:32,239
want to come out and say i am a military

1973
01:13:36,070 --> 01:13:34,080
member who's an experiencer like it's

1974
01:13:37,430 --> 01:13:36,080
just not something that is said in the

1975
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:37,440
same sentence so you have these people

1976
01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:38,880
who have their witnesses they've

1977
01:13:42,310 --> 01:13:40,480
witnessed this thing but at the end of

1978
01:13:44,390 --> 01:13:42,320
the day they're experiencers just like a

1979
01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:44,400
lot of us who have seen ufos who would

1980
01:13:48,630 --> 01:13:46,880
consider ourself experiencers they even

1981
01:13:51,030 --> 01:13:48,640
some of them had greater interactions

1982
01:13:53,030 --> 01:13:51,040
with with it than than we have

1983
01:13:54,470 --> 01:13:53,040
can i need a new word

1984
01:13:56,550 --> 01:13:54,480
i mean

1985
01:13:59,830 --> 01:13:56,560
we need a new word because if you were

1986
01:14:01,830 --> 01:13:59,840
to take the word ufology

1987
01:14:03,669 --> 01:14:01,840
i don't think it's wrong to have someone

1988
01:14:05,510 --> 01:14:03,679
that's going to ask all those questions

1989
01:14:06,870 --> 01:14:05,520
no 100 percent for sure you rebuttal

1990
01:14:09,270 --> 01:14:06,880
everything

1991
01:14:12,229 --> 01:14:09,280
the facts are important people can 100

1992
01:14:14,550 --> 01:14:12,239
percent bullshitting 1 000 an entire

1993
01:14:16,229 --> 01:14:14,560
story and people start to believe what

1994
01:14:19,910 --> 01:14:16,239
they've said a million times and it's

1995
01:14:23,189 --> 01:14:19,920
not exactly true so you do need those

1996
01:14:24,950 --> 01:14:23,199
very analytical minds to get involved so

1997
01:14:29,030 --> 01:14:24,960
maybe there needs to be another word

1998
01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:29,040
when i hear ufology i think it should be

1999
01:14:33,990 --> 01:14:32,159
um investigated and critical

2000
01:14:35,830 --> 01:14:34,000
if we're just talking experiencers yeah

2001
01:14:38,229 --> 01:14:35,840
we give it more leniency because we know

2002
01:14:40,870 --> 01:14:38,239
that when it comes to most experiencers

2003
01:14:43,189 --> 01:14:40,880
you don't have that type of fact and

2004
01:14:44,709 --> 01:14:43,199
evidence almost like it's irrelevant to

2005
01:14:46,870 --> 01:14:44,719
a certain point right because it's all

2006
01:14:49,189 --> 01:14:46,880
that matters is what you went through

2007
01:14:51,510 --> 01:14:49,199
so maybe there should just be a whole

2008
01:14:52,790 --> 01:14:51,520
nother a whole nother word where we

2009
01:14:55,669 --> 01:14:52,800
don't

2010
01:14:59,189 --> 01:14:55,679
overly give attention to victims and we

2011
01:15:02,790 --> 01:14:59,199
don't overly um vilify people that are

2012
01:15:04,370 --> 01:15:02,800
trying to ask legitimate scientists

2013
01:15:07,590 --> 01:15:04,380
factual questions

2014
01:15:09,510 --> 01:15:07,600
[Music]

2015
01:15:11,990 --> 01:15:09,520
i wanted to just point out that from

2016
01:15:14,310 --> 01:15:12,000
like the mental health perspective

2017
01:15:16,229 --> 01:15:14,320
the way that you would support someone

2018
01:15:18,470 --> 01:15:16,239
who has a mental health issue and the

2019
01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:18,480
way that you would support someone who

2020
01:15:24,149 --> 01:15:20,800
has a valid experience would be exactly

2021
01:15:26,070 --> 01:15:24,159
the same so it serves no one any good to

2022
01:15:27,430 --> 01:15:26,080
just be attacking someone and saying

2023
01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:27,440
you're lying

2024
01:15:32,149 --> 01:15:30,560
like they need help the exact same way

2025
01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:32,159
they need the support and they need

2026
01:15:35,910 --> 01:15:34,480
someone who's going to give them that

2027
01:15:37,350 --> 01:15:35,920
support

2028
01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:37,360
like that's hard

2029
01:15:41,510 --> 01:15:39,280
the first time we spoke with max he

2030
01:15:43,750 --> 01:15:41,520
seemed quite traumatized uh

2031
01:15:45,990 --> 01:15:43,760
uh just by people telling him you're

2032
01:15:47,830 --> 01:15:46,000
lying right debs and actually nathan

2033
01:15:49,910 --> 01:15:47,840
spoke with him also people telling him

2034
01:15:51,990 --> 01:15:49,920
that his experience didn't happen or

2035
01:15:54,470 --> 01:15:52,000
being overly critical of somebody who

2036
01:15:57,430 --> 01:15:54,480
clearly experienced something uh

2037
01:15:59,110 --> 01:15:57,440
anomalous and extraordinary

2038
01:16:01,030 --> 01:15:59,120
that's very nice i think at the end of

2039
01:16:03,510 --> 01:16:01,040
the day what it is is it's about respect

2040
01:16:05,510 --> 01:16:03,520
we have to approach people in this topic

2041
01:16:07,270 --> 01:16:05,520
with respect there's we could be

2042
01:16:08,950 --> 01:16:07,280
respectful and be funny we can be

2043
01:16:10,229 --> 01:16:08,960
respectful and be serious but it's just

2044
01:16:12,149 --> 01:16:10,239
at the end of the day i think if our

2045
01:16:13,750 --> 01:16:12,159
intention is respectful

2046
01:16:15,350 --> 01:16:13,760
we're gonna get to the bottom of this if

2047
01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:15,360
we all work together and be respectful

2048
01:16:18,310 --> 01:16:17,040
about it and i think it's important too

2049
01:16:19,990 --> 01:16:18,320
that we all come at it from these

2050
01:16:21,189 --> 01:16:20,000
different angles i know like a lot i

2051
01:16:22,310 --> 01:16:21,199
don't know if you guys see it on ufo

2052
01:16:23,750 --> 01:16:22,320
twitter but people are always like oh

2053
01:16:26,870 --> 01:16:23,760
there's so many podcasts and youtube

2054
01:16:28,470 --> 01:16:26,880
shows about ufos and i'm always so like

2055
01:16:30,310 --> 01:16:28,480
why would you not want that i want that

2056
01:16:32,229 --> 01:16:30,320
to be normal i want to go into youtube

2057
01:16:33,669 --> 01:16:32,239
and my entire page be nothing but that

2058
01:16:35,830 --> 01:16:33,679
because that means that we're on our way

2059
01:16:37,510 --> 01:16:35,840
to actual disclosure like i want

2060
01:16:39,110 --> 01:16:37,520
everybody to start their own channel

2061
01:16:40,390 --> 01:16:39,120
because that means that it's normal it's

2062
01:16:41,669 --> 01:16:40,400
it's okay i

2063
01:16:43,590 --> 01:16:41,679
all my friends have a channel about

2064
01:16:45,910 --> 01:16:43,600
aliens so do i

2065
01:16:48,149 --> 01:16:45,920
and there's so many different ways of of

2066
01:16:50,229 --> 01:16:48,159
going about the topic because you've got

2067
01:16:53,350 --> 01:16:50,239
the paranormal right so you got

2068
01:16:56,070 --> 01:16:53,360
consciousness you got ufos

2069
01:16:57,830 --> 01:16:56,080
um you got the ancients you got you know

2070
01:17:00,550 --> 01:16:57,840
what happened here before there's just

2071
01:17:01,590 --> 01:17:00,560
so many angles so why is there

2072
01:17:03,910 --> 01:17:01,600
one

2073
01:17:05,910 --> 01:17:03,920
giants i'm not kidding giants i love

2074
01:17:07,350 --> 01:17:05,920
these clothes throw them all in there i

2075
01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:07,360
mean there's so many different things

2076
01:17:12,630 --> 01:17:09,760
that people can be doing so it does seem

2077
01:17:14,229 --> 01:17:12,640
like we we're in this little counterpart

2078
01:17:15,990 --> 01:17:14,239
we're like yeah we're crowding each

2079
01:17:17,830 --> 01:17:16,000
other i was like well there's really no

2080
01:17:19,590 --> 01:17:17,840
crowd i mean there's

2081
01:17:22,390 --> 01:17:19,600
we don't all have to be live i know

2082
01:17:24,709 --> 01:17:22,400
there's some chatters guilty like to be

2083
01:17:26,390 --> 01:17:24,719
live because i think that that adds to

2084
01:17:28,229 --> 01:17:26,400
the experience that adds to the

2085
01:17:29,990 --> 01:17:28,239
experience for the guests for the host

2086
01:17:32,149 --> 01:17:30,000
it just kind of drives it so we all want

2087
01:17:35,430 --> 01:17:32,159
to be there but i mean there's plenty of

2088
01:17:36,950 --> 01:17:35,440
content and plenty of of topics nobody

2089
01:17:38,229 --> 01:17:36,960
owns it we all

2090
01:17:40,149 --> 01:17:38,239
we you know we could all be

2091
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:40,159
collaborating we could all be doing so

2092
01:17:44,709 --> 01:17:42,960
many great things in expanding you know

2093
01:17:46,149 --> 01:17:44,719
to your point i think you mentioned

2094
01:17:47,430 --> 01:17:46,159
earlier and i didn't get back to you on

2095
01:17:50,550 --> 01:17:47,440
this one jamie but you were talking

2096
01:17:52,709 --> 01:17:50,560
about expanding the topics right

2097
01:17:53,990 --> 01:17:52,719
now if you had talked to me two years

2098
01:17:55,990 --> 01:17:54,000
ago

2099
01:17:57,750 --> 01:17:56,000
i believe i've always believed in ufos

2100
01:18:00,229 --> 01:17:57,760
but if you had talked to me and told me

2101
01:18:02,310 --> 01:18:00,239
that i would be thinking

2102
01:18:05,350 --> 01:18:02,320
alter dimensional or multi-dimensional

2103
01:18:07,750 --> 01:18:05,360
or akashic records or if somebody came

2104
01:18:10,070 --> 01:18:07,760
to me two years ago and told me that i'd

2105
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:10,080
be like you're crazy you know i'm like

2106
01:18:13,830 --> 01:18:11,280
yeah whatever

2107
01:18:15,350 --> 01:18:13,840
but we got here i mean and i have an

2108
01:18:17,750 --> 01:18:15,360
experience i'm not an experiencer i

2109
01:18:22,630 --> 01:18:17,760
haven't seen the ufo so you know not

2110
01:18:25,990 --> 01:18:23,990
it's my favorite thing because the thing

2111
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:26,000
is is even even myself through time

2112
01:18:28,950 --> 01:18:27,600
there were experiences i had that i

2113
01:18:30,870 --> 01:18:28,960
thought were very normal and they had

2114
01:18:32,550 --> 01:18:30,880
normal explanations and then i look back

2115
01:18:35,030 --> 01:18:32,560
at them and i'm like why did my brain

2116
01:18:36,709 --> 01:18:35,040
make me think that that's what it was

2117
01:18:38,310 --> 01:18:36,719
breeze had those experiences we've all

2118
01:18:40,390 --> 01:18:38,320
had those kind of experiences so i think

2119
01:18:41,750 --> 01:18:40,400
that i always like to leave what's i

2120
01:18:43,350 --> 01:18:41,760
think important with this subject and

2121
01:18:44,790 --> 01:18:43,360
all of it is leaving it open-ended and

2122
01:18:45,990 --> 01:18:44,800
that's what science does at the end of

2123
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:46,000
the day and i think people don't realize

2124
01:18:50,470 --> 01:18:48,400
that really good scientists never give

2125
01:18:52,870 --> 01:18:50,480
you definitive answers they always leave

2126
01:18:54,390 --> 01:18:52,880
space for for information to be changed

2127
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:54,400
and i think that we just have to apply

2128
01:18:59,510 --> 01:18:56,400
that part of it to the subject yeah

2129
01:19:02,229 --> 01:18:59,520
there you go neil degrasse type

2130
01:19:03,669 --> 01:19:02,239
concern my only concern is i'm sorry one

2131
01:19:04,870 --> 01:19:03,679
more and then i'll

2132
01:19:07,189 --> 01:19:04,880
let you go

2133
01:19:09,030 --> 01:19:07,199
my only concern is that

2134
01:19:10,870 --> 01:19:09,040
if you introduce

2135
01:19:11,990 --> 01:19:10,880
like if you expand the topic to people

2136
01:19:14,070 --> 01:19:12,000
like us

2137
01:19:15,910 --> 01:19:14,080
that's cool because we already believe

2138
01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:15,920
in something but then there's all these

2139
01:19:20,470 --> 01:19:17,040
people that

2140
01:19:21,910 --> 01:19:20,480
are don't even really realize that ufos

2141
01:19:23,669 --> 01:19:21,920
you know are really out there they're

2142
01:19:26,229 --> 01:19:23,679
like yeah whatever that's all made up

2143
01:19:28,630 --> 01:19:26,239
that doesn't exist for them it would be

2144
01:19:31,510 --> 01:19:28,640
so much harder to digest it all at the

2145
01:19:33,110 --> 01:19:31,520
same time you gotta spoon feed people a

2146
01:19:34,790 --> 01:19:33,120
little bit because i mean it's taken me

2147
01:19:37,110 --> 01:19:34,800
two years to get from the point that i

2148
01:19:39,030 --> 01:19:37,120
believed in ufos to the point that i'm

2149
01:19:40,950 --> 01:19:39,040
like thinking of you know i'm

2150
01:19:43,189 --> 01:19:40,960
understanding freaking quantum physics

2151
01:19:44,870 --> 01:19:43,199
and super string theory and akashic

2152
01:19:46,390 --> 01:19:44,880
realm you're falling down the rabbit

2153
01:19:49,110 --> 01:19:46,400
hole what the hell i went down the

2154
01:19:50,709 --> 01:19:49,120
rabbit hole but it took a little while

2155
01:19:52,149 --> 01:19:50,719
to get there

2156
01:19:54,310 --> 01:19:52,159
but i think that's the thing though if

2157
01:19:55,510 --> 01:19:54,320
we if we have enough information out

2158
01:19:56,870 --> 01:19:55,520
there that's the thing though i think

2159
01:19:58,470 --> 01:19:56,880
that this topic is kind of like a black

2160
01:20:00,070 --> 01:19:58,480
hole what you're talking about you start

2161
01:20:01,350 --> 01:20:00,080
to get a little crumbs of the outside

2162
01:20:02,950 --> 01:20:01,360
you're following the little trails and

2163
01:20:04,390 --> 01:20:02,960
then all of a sudden you get sucked into

2164
01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:04,400
it so i just think we just have to keep

2165
01:20:08,070 --> 01:20:05,760
finding ways to put out these bread

2166
01:20:09,350 --> 01:20:08,080
crumbs for people giving it to them this

2167
01:20:11,189 --> 01:20:09,360
information in different ways to

2168
01:20:12,870 --> 01:20:11,199
different people is important because it

2169
01:20:14,390 --> 01:20:12,880
brings more people into it because i

2170
01:20:16,229 --> 01:20:14,400
think that we can all agree that once

2171
01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:16,239
you start to dip your toes into the the

2172
01:20:20,709 --> 01:20:18,880
ufo paranormal other side of the veil

2173
01:20:22,790 --> 01:20:20,719
world you get sucked in and you cannot

2174
01:20:24,870 --> 01:20:22,800
get back out yeah it's like eating that

2175
01:20:26,550 --> 01:20:24,880
cheesecake you you you start on the

2176
01:20:27,910 --> 01:20:26,560
crust mm-hmm and then you're like you

2177
01:20:29,110 --> 01:20:27,920
know what i'm just gonna eat the cream

2178
01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:29,120
yeah i'm like you know what let me get

2179
01:20:32,310 --> 01:20:30,960
towards the center a little bit and

2180
01:20:35,189 --> 01:20:32,320
before you know like i'm right in the

2181
01:20:37,030 --> 01:20:35,199
middle of it but anyway um akashi chris

2182
01:20:39,030 --> 01:20:37,040
is good we got about uh nine minutes

2183
01:20:40,470 --> 01:20:39,040
left akashi chris got some pics we're

2184
01:20:42,070 --> 01:20:40,480
going to show you guys so let's get down

2185
01:20:43,830 --> 01:20:42,080
with some pics yo

2186
01:20:48,870 --> 01:20:43,840
i'm going to come

2187
01:20:51,110 --> 01:20:49,910
let me know if you want me to put it up

2188
01:20:53,110 --> 01:20:51,120
or you want to put it yeah can you go

2189
01:20:55,510 --> 01:20:53,120
ahead and put that can you say that with

2190
01:20:56,790 --> 01:20:55,520
like a weird i want to play games

2191
01:21:12,790 --> 01:20:56,800
so we're going to play a little game

2192
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:23,910
uh

2193
01:21:29,350 --> 01:21:26,070
so i'm going to show you some pics

2194
01:21:31,189 --> 01:21:29,360
and i want your expert opinions okay you

2195
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:31,199
know just like you do on your show your

2196
01:21:35,430 --> 01:21:32,080
phone

2197
01:21:37,590 --> 01:21:35,440
but i'm sorry

2198
01:21:40,229 --> 01:21:37,600
so how are you doing

2199
01:21:42,149 --> 01:21:40,239
are your glasses clean kari i need your

2200
01:21:43,990 --> 01:21:42,159
glasses to be very clean okay ready to

2201
01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:44,000
go go ahead and go to the

2202
01:21:47,430 --> 01:21:46,560
so these are different pictures

2203
01:21:49,030 --> 01:21:47,440
out of

2204
01:21:51,189 --> 01:21:49,040
the same experience

2205
01:21:52,870 --> 01:21:51,199
so pick one

2206
01:21:54,229 --> 01:21:52,880
there anything you're seeing in that

2207
01:21:55,270 --> 01:21:54,239
picture that looks a little bit

2208
01:21:57,430 --> 01:21:55,280
interesting

2209
01:22:00,390 --> 01:21:57,440
i don't expect you to but

2210
01:22:03,430 --> 01:22:01,669
yes

2211
01:22:05,350 --> 01:22:03,440
but i know what it is

2212
01:22:07,910 --> 01:22:05,360
if you're talking about the green dot in

2213
01:22:10,550 --> 01:22:07,920
the ocean it's a lens flare but outside

2214
01:22:13,430 --> 01:22:10,560
of that i don't see anything else go to

2215
01:22:17,030 --> 01:22:13,440
the next one oh you're right what i was

2216
01:22:18,790 --> 01:22:17,040
going to call out is that green flare

2217
01:22:19,750 --> 01:22:18,800
next

2218
01:22:37,350 --> 01:22:19,760
okay

2219
01:22:41,750 --> 01:22:39,030
mick west blew our minds last night with

2220
01:22:43,669 --> 01:22:41,760
us this detail so this is a okay okay

2221
01:22:45,350 --> 01:22:43,679
let's keep it right

2222
01:22:47,350 --> 01:22:45,360
reflection on the inside of the camera

2223
01:22:50,229 --> 01:22:47,360
look at this guy

2224
01:22:51,910 --> 01:22:50,239
is there anything here

2225
01:22:53,750 --> 01:22:51,920
besides that

2226
01:22:54,870 --> 01:22:53,760
beautiful ocean beautiful gorgeous

2227
01:22:56,870 --> 01:22:54,880
pictures though

2228
01:22:58,950 --> 01:22:56,880
in the clouds is it weird there's a

2229
01:23:01,270 --> 01:22:58,960
black thing in the clouds i don't know

2230
01:23:02,470 --> 01:23:01,280
if that's weird but i can see a weird

2231
01:23:19,350 --> 01:23:02,480
dot or

2232
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:23,350
is that jerry

2233
01:23:26,310 --> 01:23:24,790
jerry's out there getting it is it i

2234
01:23:27,910 --> 01:23:26,320
can't see tell me that does not look

2235
01:23:29,590 --> 01:23:27,920
like a jerry body where that girl i'm

2236
01:23:31,030 --> 01:23:29,600
not gonna lie

2237
01:23:33,189 --> 01:23:31,040
a little bit yeah actually it does it

2238
01:23:35,669 --> 01:23:33,199
does look like jerry where her hand is

2239
01:23:36,950 --> 01:23:35,679
like oh yeah the whole thing

2240
01:23:38,229 --> 01:23:36,960
yeah so

2241
01:23:44,070 --> 01:23:38,239
what do you guys

2242
01:23:46,390 --> 01:23:44,080
i'm gonna have to just say personally

2243
01:23:48,870 --> 01:23:46,400
lens flare this is i've had it many

2244
01:23:50,470 --> 01:23:48,880
times on my camera kari is right

2245
01:23:51,910 --> 01:23:50,480
when she was saying what mick west was

2246
01:23:54,629 --> 01:23:51,920
saying to us so i'm going to have to say

2247
01:23:56,149 --> 01:23:54,639
lens flare personally

2248
01:23:57,030 --> 01:23:56,159
what do you think

2249
01:23:59,350 --> 01:23:57,040
eyes

2250
01:24:01,990 --> 01:23:59,360
the the blue orb is lens flare like mick

2251
01:24:03,830 --> 01:24:02,000
west i actually he taught me something

2252
01:24:05,350 --> 01:24:03,840
so when you get those specular

2253
01:24:07,189 --> 01:24:05,360
reflections on the inside of the lens

2254
01:24:09,189 --> 01:24:07,199
where it's bouncing off that's the

2255
01:24:11,030 --> 01:24:09,199
actual size of the light source so

2256
01:24:13,110 --> 01:24:11,040
that's the actual size of the sun in the

2257
01:24:15,110 --> 01:24:13,120
sky in relation to the scale of the

2258
01:24:17,910 --> 01:24:15,120
photograph but it looks way bigger in

2259
01:24:19,510 --> 01:24:17,920
the wide shot because it's like

2260
01:24:21,990 --> 01:24:19,520
super bright in the sky but that's the

2261
01:24:24,629 --> 01:24:22,000
actual size of it physically

2262
01:24:27,830 --> 01:24:24,639
okay so all flair

2263
01:24:28,709 --> 01:24:27,840
or lens you know i think there's there's

2264
01:24:31,030 --> 01:24:28,719
some

2265
01:24:32,149 --> 01:24:31,040
so the the ocean's moving right

2266
01:24:34,229 --> 01:24:32,159
so yeah

2267
01:24:35,750 --> 01:24:34,239
your lens on your camera was open for a

2268
01:24:37,590 --> 01:24:35,760
certain amount of time

2269
01:24:39,189 --> 01:24:37,600
so the water is that's why it has this

2270
01:24:41,350 --> 01:24:39,199
kind of waxy look

2271
01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:41,360
because out out where it's deeper the

2272
01:24:45,669 --> 01:24:42,960
water's not moving as much so you can

2273
01:24:48,070 --> 01:24:45,679
get a crisp photo of it but this wave is

2274
01:24:48,950 --> 01:24:48,080
receding back into the water therefore

2275
01:24:52,310 --> 01:24:48,960
it's

2276
01:24:54,950 --> 01:24:52,320
the camera has a harder time picking out

2277
01:24:59,510 --> 01:24:57,350
okay i get what you're saying yeah okay

2278
01:25:01,110 --> 01:24:59,520
that makes sense so go back to the first

2279
01:25:03,110 --> 01:25:01,120
picture do you mind going back to the

2280
01:25:05,350 --> 01:25:03,120
first slide

2281
01:25:07,830 --> 01:25:05,360
okay actually that not the first one go

2282
01:25:09,910 --> 01:25:07,840
to the next one so

2283
01:25:11,270 --> 01:25:09,920
um so

2284
01:25:12,950 --> 01:25:11,280
backstory

2285
01:25:14,550 --> 01:25:12,960
i do have one

2286
01:25:17,270 --> 01:25:14,560
oh that's my computer pictures were

2287
01:25:18,550 --> 01:25:17,280
provided to me by my sister

2288
01:25:23,270 --> 01:25:18,560
yesterday

2289
01:25:27,350 --> 01:25:23,280
and um the backstory of this is

2290
01:25:30,390 --> 01:25:27,360
she saw this green thing oh

2291
01:25:32,550 --> 01:25:30,400
that changes it picked up her camera she

2292
01:25:35,510 --> 01:25:32,560
went and got she's at the beach go to

2293
01:25:39,430 --> 01:25:36,550
okay

2294
01:25:42,629 --> 01:25:39,440
that little girl is my great niece or

2295
01:25:44,550 --> 01:25:42,639
granny's grannies i'm not sure my sister

2296
01:25:46,790 --> 01:25:44,560
is actually on the chat that's also a

2297
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:46,800
surprise

2298
01:25:49,189 --> 01:25:47,760
so

2299
01:25:51,030 --> 01:25:49,199
that is

2300
01:25:54,229 --> 01:25:51,040
she's had a baptism

2301
01:25:56,470 --> 01:25:54,239
um very much into

2302
01:25:58,070 --> 01:25:56,480
you know what we're into

2303
01:25:59,590 --> 01:25:58,080
which i just discovered because i'm

2304
01:26:02,229 --> 01:25:59,600
starting to reconnect with my sister

2305
01:26:04,390 --> 01:26:02,239
after many years oh beautiful it worked

2306
01:26:06,229 --> 01:26:04,400
it was caused by somebody else and we've

2307
01:26:09,110 --> 01:26:06,239
gone back past that and we started

2308
01:26:10,470 --> 01:26:09,120
talking and i'm like really you got this

2309
01:26:12,790 --> 01:26:10,480
so

2310
01:26:14,870 --> 01:26:12,800
she saw that thing

2311
01:26:18,070 --> 01:26:14,880
and it was getting closer

2312
01:26:19,669 --> 01:26:18,080
and closer fastened she started taking

2313
01:26:21,990 --> 01:26:19,679
the pictures

2314
01:26:24,709 --> 01:26:22,000
and she's like what in the world is

2315
01:26:26,629 --> 01:26:24,719
going on it's like this is you know

2316
01:26:27,910 --> 01:26:26,639
she saw it and that's why she picked it

2317
01:26:30,870 --> 01:26:27,920
up and the next

2318
01:26:32,229 --> 01:26:30,880
picture go to the next go to the

2319
01:26:35,270 --> 01:26:32,239
that one

2320
01:26:37,350 --> 01:26:35,280
that little girl had food in her hand

2321
01:26:39,110 --> 01:26:37,360
and she was holding it out they were

2322
01:26:41,910 --> 01:26:39,120
playing that's her babysitter she was

2323
01:26:43,430 --> 01:26:41,920
holding it out and that's where they in

2324
01:26:45,430 --> 01:26:43,440
that picture

2325
01:26:47,270 --> 01:26:45,440
when i actually showed it to a friend of

2326
01:26:49,350 --> 01:26:47,280
mine that's actually a remote viewer he

2327
01:26:51,430 --> 01:26:49,360
was like you mean that dog

2328
01:26:53,430 --> 01:26:51,440
i'm like he literally went to the dog

2329
01:26:55,830 --> 01:26:53,440
even in this picture he's like that dog

2330
01:26:58,229 --> 01:26:55,840
thing and

2331
01:27:00,790 --> 01:26:58,239
he's thank you carolyn torres who's in

2332
01:27:03,590 --> 01:27:00,800
the chat right now so you're saying she

2333
01:27:06,070 --> 01:27:03,600
saw that with her naked eye yes she did

2334
01:27:07,510 --> 01:27:06,080
that's crazy there you go mick lens

2335
01:27:11,189 --> 01:27:07,520
flared

2336
01:27:12,790 --> 01:27:11,199
this is what i call the mind fork

2337
01:27:13,830 --> 01:27:12,800
wow

2338
01:27:15,430 --> 01:27:13,840
i'm telling you that's why i thought

2339
01:27:18,470 --> 01:27:15,440
that was jerry right there look like a

2340
01:27:20,629 --> 01:27:18,480
whole jerry body she um

2341
01:27:21,990 --> 01:27:20,639
yeah i mean she she took these pictures

2342
01:27:24,390 --> 01:27:22,000
herself

2343
01:27:26,790 --> 01:27:24,400
um she's not i love you carolyn but

2344
01:27:28,550 --> 01:27:26,800
she's not a techie you know and she's

2345
01:27:30,149 --> 01:27:28,560
just so affordable

2346
01:27:33,030 --> 01:27:30,159
from her phone and you know people

2347
01:27:35,590 --> 01:27:33,040
questions like wow that's not like i saw

2348
01:27:37,510 --> 01:27:35,600
this thing myself and that's why and

2349
01:27:40,470 --> 01:27:37,520
that changes it and i'm going to say i

2350
01:27:42,229 --> 01:27:40,480
said this person also i said bender why

2351
01:27:43,590 --> 01:27:42,239
don't you take a video

2352
01:27:51,030 --> 01:27:43,600
like

2353
01:27:52,790 --> 01:27:51,040
that's true though no but it's it's

2354
01:27:54,229 --> 01:27:52,800
interesting though because it's okay

2355
01:27:57,189 --> 01:27:54,239
because she didn't and she didn't see

2356
01:27:59,830 --> 01:27:57,199
that thing until she saw the the doggy

2357
01:28:00,870 --> 01:27:59,840
thing she didn't see that until she saw

2358
01:28:02,709 --> 01:28:00,880
the picture

2359
01:28:03,910 --> 01:28:02,719
yeah it's interesting too because it i

2360
01:28:04,950 --> 01:28:03,920
think it kind of brings to that point

2361
01:28:07,510 --> 01:28:04,960
when we were talking about with

2362
01:28:09,270 --> 01:28:07,520
experiences earlier it's like even if an

2363
01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:09,280
experiencer tells you a story that i was

2364
01:28:12,870 --> 01:28:11,040
at the beach and i saw a green orb and

2365
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:12,880
you say oh yeah sure and you say okay

2366
01:28:16,149 --> 01:28:14,400
well i have pictures let me show you and

2367
01:28:18,950 --> 01:28:16,159
then here we are all immediately that's

2368
01:28:21,350 --> 01:28:18,960
a lens flare that's a lens flare and so

2369
01:28:23,110 --> 01:28:21,360
and we're assuming that okay you didn't

2370
01:28:25,510 --> 01:28:23,120
see it that's just a lens flare on the

2371
01:28:27,110 --> 01:28:25,520
camera but i'm sure your sister knows

2372
01:28:29,430 --> 01:28:27,120
for a fact that she saw it and that's

2373
01:28:30,790 --> 01:28:29,440
that weird line of of like

2374
01:28:32,390 --> 01:28:30,800
i don't know when people always ask for

2375
01:28:34,229 --> 01:28:32,400
evidence of things it's like we give

2376
01:28:36,470 --> 01:28:34,239
evidence and then nobody believes it

2377
01:28:39,750 --> 01:28:36,480
right that's my point that was all i

2378
01:28:44,070 --> 01:28:39,760
wanted to do no 100 yeah

2379
01:28:49,270 --> 01:28:46,070
she has no reason to lie to make it up

2380
01:28:51,750 --> 01:28:49,280
yeah obviously and and on top of it i

2381
01:28:53,270 --> 01:28:51,760
find out i've had i have this thing all

2382
01:28:54,870 --> 01:28:53,280
of a sudden for oracle cards out of

2383
01:28:56,950 --> 01:28:54,880
nowhere my father

2384
01:28:59,189 --> 01:28:56,960
i just found that from her that he left

2385
01:29:00,709 --> 01:28:59,199
oracle cards wow

2386
01:29:02,790 --> 01:29:00,719
and i didn't know

2387
01:29:04,950 --> 01:29:02,800
priscilla man you can get down

2388
01:29:07,030 --> 01:29:04,960
and pendulums and

2389
01:29:09,669 --> 01:29:07,040
my card today actually mentioned

2390
01:29:11,669 --> 01:29:09,679
pendulums and every single day my card

2391
01:29:13,910 --> 01:29:11,679
is telling me something and i told her

2392
01:29:15,110 --> 01:29:13,920
and she's like dude

2393
01:29:17,830 --> 01:29:15,120
you don't know

2394
01:29:19,189 --> 01:29:17,840
my my uh what is it her is it your

2395
01:29:22,310 --> 01:29:19,199
grandson

2396
01:29:24,790 --> 01:29:22,320
helen it's a medium i didn't know any of

2397
01:29:27,270 --> 01:29:24,800
these things yeah i know i okay i'm

2398
01:29:31,430 --> 01:29:27,280
sending monology to someone but yeah i

2399
01:29:33,750 --> 01:29:31,440
got starseed oracle um beautiful

2400
01:29:35,430 --> 01:29:33,760
and uh i got mystic martian

2401
01:29:37,669 --> 01:29:35,440
um i just started getting them and i'm

2402
01:29:40,550 --> 01:29:37,679
like i got my quartz and my sisters are

2403
01:29:42,229 --> 01:29:40,560
like dude because you're one of us

2404
01:29:44,070 --> 01:29:42,239
you know

2405
01:29:45,990 --> 01:29:44,080
i actually saw it in the lens and then

2406
01:29:48,790 --> 01:29:46,000
looked and there it was and he's she's

2407
01:29:50,950 --> 01:29:48,800
like just taking pictures that's crazy

2408
01:29:54,390 --> 01:29:50,960
should i pull a card to win the show

2409
01:29:59,510 --> 01:29:56,229
yes

2410
01:30:03,350 --> 01:29:59,520
this is so it was a dog not a jerry

2411
01:30:06,470 --> 01:30:05,510
it says the frequency of the shaker

2412
01:30:08,229 --> 01:30:06,480
chakra

2413
01:30:09,910 --> 01:30:08,239
the orange flower of life supports our

2414
01:30:11,270 --> 01:30:09,920
ability to flow with our desires and

2415
01:30:13,189 --> 01:30:11,280
stimulates our creative power to

2416
01:30:14,310 --> 01:30:13,199
manifest success and abundance in our

2417
01:30:17,510 --> 01:30:14,320
lives

2418
01:30:20,390 --> 01:30:17,520
it's the second to lowest one i think

2419
01:30:22,229 --> 01:30:20,400
wow yes there's one flow again your root

2420
01:30:24,149 --> 01:30:22,239
is underneath it yep right yeah or

2421
01:30:25,590 --> 01:30:24,159
chakra yeah well

2422
01:30:29,830 --> 01:30:25,600
so yeah i need you

2423
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:47,590
gorgeous

2424
01:30:50,790 --> 01:30:49,350
you know no it's great

2425
01:30:52,709 --> 01:30:50,800
it was awesome when i say

2426
01:30:54,470 --> 01:30:52,719
that makes total sense

2427
01:30:56,629 --> 01:30:54,480
because we've been talking about a lot

2428
01:30:59,350 --> 01:30:56,639
of things today that's like on the

2429
01:31:00,470 --> 01:30:59,360
precipice of possible existence or where

2430
01:31:02,310 --> 01:31:00,480
we're going

2431
01:31:03,990 --> 01:31:02,320
and the sacral chakra that's like the

2432
01:31:06,310 --> 01:31:04,000
birthing place right because that's

2433
01:31:09,510 --> 01:31:06,320
where our sex organs sit that's where we

2434
01:31:11,830 --> 01:31:09,520
are conjuring the birth of new life it's

2435
01:31:12,870 --> 01:31:11,840
the flow but it's also the birthplace of

2436
01:31:14,709 --> 01:31:12,880
life

2437
01:31:16,229 --> 01:31:14,719
ideas and that's kind of what we've been

2438
01:31:17,830 --> 01:31:16,239
talking about here on the stream today

2439
01:31:21,910 --> 01:31:17,840
so i feel like that's

2440
01:31:27,110 --> 01:31:24,070
yeah you guys are you guys are a lot of

2441
01:31:29,470 --> 01:31:27,120
fun um and what a great mix fbi this is

2442
01:31:32,229 --> 01:31:29,480
a sting put down

2443
01:31:34,709 --> 01:31:32,239
[Laughter]

2444
01:31:37,669 --> 01:31:34,719
you've been you have been disseminating

2445
01:31:40,149 --> 01:31:37,679
illegal information i am from

2446
01:31:41,830 --> 01:31:40,159
fbi

2447
01:31:44,470 --> 01:31:41,840
you're busted son

2448
01:31:47,030 --> 01:31:44,480
you're not

2449
01:31:48,870 --> 01:31:47,040
everybody run i appreciate you guys you

2450
01:31:50,390 --> 01:31:48,880
guys are an awful lot of fun and this is

2451
01:31:52,310 --> 01:31:50,400
a very interesting

2452
01:31:55,110 --> 01:31:52,320
uh group uh

2453
01:31:58,790 --> 01:31:55,120
a great mix of personalities and it

2454
01:32:00,950 --> 01:31:58,800
reminds me of my sister she's the one

2455
01:32:04,390 --> 01:32:00,960
that was talking about freaking chakra

2456
01:32:06,149 --> 01:32:04,400
she's on the slack she's on the chat

2457
01:32:07,910 --> 01:32:06,159
another yogi card that she just

2458
01:32:11,030 --> 01:32:07,920
mentioned

2459
01:32:14,149 --> 01:32:11,040
what's her name let's say hello

2460
01:32:15,350 --> 01:32:14,159
carolyn torres what's up home girl hello

2461
01:32:16,149 --> 01:32:15,360
carolyn

2462
01:32:18,550 --> 01:32:16,159
yeah

2463
01:32:20,550 --> 01:32:18,560
you got you got two you got other yogi's

2464
01:32:22,709 --> 01:32:20,560
in the house actually we're all yogi's

2465
01:32:26,229 --> 01:32:22,719
she never she's this is her first time

2466
01:32:30,310 --> 01:32:28,790
we're we're we are all yogis up in this

2467
01:32:31,030 --> 01:32:30,320
joint

2468
01:32:34,229 --> 01:32:31,040
so

2469
01:32:35,669 --> 01:32:34,239
lovely that was really good nathan

2470
01:32:37,910 --> 01:32:35,679
thank you spirit

2471
01:32:39,110 --> 01:32:37,920
i just want to say thank you guys i have

2472
01:32:41,590 --> 01:32:39,120
um

2473
01:32:44,310 --> 01:32:41,600
i have really really enjoyed this

2474
01:32:47,510 --> 01:32:44,320
show today me too thank you and uh

2475
01:32:49,590 --> 01:32:47,520
you guys deserve every ounce of

2476
01:32:51,830 --> 01:32:49,600
uh attention and viewership and

2477
01:32:54,149 --> 01:32:51,840
popularity that you get well thank you

2478
01:32:57,030 --> 01:32:54,159
thank you and i just want to say too

2479
01:32:58,149 --> 01:32:57,040
that i i really appreciate the the way

2480
01:33:00,470 --> 01:32:58,159
that you

2481
01:33:01,990 --> 01:33:00,480
put your unique spin on everything and i

2482
01:33:02,870 --> 01:33:02,000
know you've gotten some flack for some

2483
01:33:05,430 --> 01:33:02,880
of that

2484
01:33:08,149 --> 01:33:05,440
all the time you know but

2485
01:33:10,390 --> 01:33:08,159
screw them right now

2486
01:33:11,669 --> 01:33:10,400
because it's so good and and i hate the

2487
01:33:14,709 --> 01:33:11,679
people

2488
01:33:17,669 --> 01:33:14,719
this is this stuffy victorian you know

2489
01:33:21,669 --> 01:33:17,679
sort of residue that we all deal with

2490
01:33:22,790 --> 01:33:21,679
and i i just applaud what you do to push

2491
01:33:25,830 --> 01:33:22,800
that

2492
01:33:27,189 --> 01:33:25,840
and and challenge people to recognize

2493
01:33:29,990 --> 01:33:27,199
that we're all

2494
01:33:31,590 --> 01:33:30,000
bodies and that's okay and we're going

2495
01:33:33,510 --> 01:33:31,600
through this and we're experiencing

2496
01:33:36,229 --> 01:33:33,520
things and you validate people you set

2497
01:33:39,189 --> 01:33:36,239
the table for people to share with you

2498
01:33:41,430 --> 01:33:39,199
and open up with you and to be critical

2499
01:33:43,830 --> 01:33:41,440
you know so it's it's it's uh you do

2500
01:33:46,709 --> 01:33:43,840
that in a very powerful way

2501
01:33:48,629 --> 01:33:46,719
and i just i i'm really grateful that

2502
01:33:50,310 --> 01:33:48,639
you guys are in this community

2503
01:33:52,310 --> 01:33:50,320
thank you thank you so much thank you so

2504
01:33:54,390 --> 01:33:52,320
much to us thank you thank you that's so

2505
01:33:56,950 --> 01:33:54,400
nice i see you about that experience

2506
01:33:58,790 --> 01:33:56,960
experiencing experience of itself

2507
01:34:02,310 --> 01:33:58,800
it's not weird

2508
01:34:04,470 --> 01:34:02,320
that's metta akashi chris mullins

2509
01:34:07,510 --> 01:34:04,480
i this has been such a pleasure and i

2510
01:34:09,430 --> 01:34:07,520
knew it would be i just i i knew i've

2511
01:34:11,430 --> 01:34:09,440
seen you guys in

2512
01:34:13,270 --> 01:34:11,440
it was funny because

2513
01:34:14,709 --> 01:34:13,280
people people sometimes don't get it and

2514
01:34:17,430 --> 01:34:14,719
i totally get it

2515
01:34:19,270 --> 01:34:17,440
and and you guys speak to to so many

2516
01:34:20,550 --> 01:34:19,280
different types of people and you guys

2517
01:34:22,629 --> 01:34:20,560
you're funny because you tell me it's

2518
01:34:24,709 --> 01:34:22,639
like cover your ears mom's here

2519
01:34:25,669 --> 01:34:24,719
everybody shut up i'm like okay i've

2520
01:34:27,750 --> 01:34:25,679
lived

2521
01:34:28,870 --> 01:34:27,760
i'm not dead

2522
01:34:30,550 --> 01:34:28,880
um

2523
01:34:32,870 --> 01:34:30,560
we're just here to live

2524
01:34:34,709 --> 01:34:32,880
i enjoy you guys look at the fact that

2525
01:34:37,350 --> 01:34:34,719
you go through those videos with such

2526
01:34:39,590 --> 01:34:37,360
detail and you and you really evaluate

2527
01:34:41,030 --> 01:34:39,600
and you bring people in to talk about it

2528
01:34:42,709 --> 01:34:41,040
and those are the types of things that

2529
01:34:44,550 --> 01:34:42,719
we need to you know how you said tic toc

2530
01:34:45,750 --> 01:34:44,560
sucks yeah because every time you go out

2531
01:34:47,109 --> 01:34:45,760
there the videos are like totally

2532
01:34:49,430 --> 01:34:47,119
ridiculous i was telling people it's

2533
01:34:51,430 --> 01:34:49,440
like dude you have no idea what these

2534
01:34:53,669 --> 01:34:51,440
people do with these videos we splice

2535
01:34:55,430 --> 01:34:53,679
them we dice them yeah we evaluate them

2536
01:34:57,590 --> 01:34:55,440
we look at the metadata i'm like we

2537
01:34:58,830 --> 01:34:57,600
don't just take whatever videos and just

2538
01:35:02,870 --> 01:34:58,840
go with

2539
01:35:07,750 --> 01:35:06,390
critical and you do it with fun

2540
01:35:11,750 --> 01:35:07,760
and you do you

2541
01:35:18,790 --> 01:35:11,760
and i love that about you thank you i

2542
01:35:21,990 --> 01:35:20,070
thank you

2543
01:35:23,750 --> 01:35:22,000
yeah i said a couple things i you know

2544
01:35:26,550 --> 01:35:23,760
obviously i've watched your show and i

2545
01:35:28,390 --> 01:35:26,560
feel like it's like a

2546
01:35:31,189 --> 01:35:28,400
breath of fresh air it's just like a

2547
01:35:32,950 --> 01:35:31,199
really cool environment i think it makes

2548
01:35:34,550 --> 01:35:32,960
people put their guard down which

2549
01:35:36,229 --> 01:35:34,560
probably means you're going to get some

2550
01:35:37,590 --> 01:35:36,239
things from people you wouldn't normally

2551
01:35:39,910 --> 01:35:37,600
get in another

2552
01:35:41,750 --> 01:35:39,920
exact interview kind of style like they

2553
01:35:43,910 --> 01:35:41,760
just want to chill with you and talk and

2554
01:35:45,750 --> 01:35:43,920
it's like everyone's just hanging out

2555
01:35:47,750 --> 01:35:45,760
and they're just letting things out that

2556
01:35:49,430 --> 01:35:47,760
they might not normally say you know so

2557
01:35:50,870 --> 01:35:49,440
i think that you know that's got to be

2558
01:35:52,950 --> 01:35:50,880
appreciated

2559
01:35:54,550 --> 01:35:52,960
but you know i was sad i didn't get to

2560
01:35:57,270 --> 01:35:54,560
ask the question that i was going to ask

2561
01:35:58,310 --> 01:35:57,280
earlier so i'll just make it real quick

2562
01:36:00,950 --> 01:35:58,320
was it

2563
01:36:02,709 --> 01:36:00,960
only at that one time

2564
01:36:03,750 --> 01:36:02,719
yeah

2565
01:36:07,030 --> 01:36:03,760
you know

2566
01:36:08,470 --> 01:36:07,040
the name was my was my idea i i told

2567
01:36:09,750 --> 01:36:08,480
bree this was the name of our podcast

2568
01:36:11,590 --> 01:36:09,760
that's what we were going with and my

2569
01:36:13,350 --> 01:36:11,600
whole idea was is it always starts every

2570
01:36:15,669 --> 01:36:13,360
time we have conversations so we start

2571
01:36:17,109 --> 01:36:15,679
well there was that one time and for us

2572
01:36:19,590 --> 01:36:17,119
it always well there was this one time i

2573
01:36:20,870 --> 01:36:19,600
saw a ufo or this one time i and so we

2574
01:36:23,030 --> 01:36:20,880
kind of brought the name that one time i

2575
01:36:25,030 --> 01:36:23,040
was abducted because it was

2576
01:36:27,270 --> 01:36:25,040
we were making a statement of you know

2577
01:36:29,270 --> 01:36:27,280
we are experiencers we and not just

2578
01:36:30,550 --> 01:36:29,280
seeing ufos we've interacted with them

2579
01:36:32,149 --> 01:36:30,560
and we want everyone to know it and

2580
01:36:34,390 --> 01:36:32,159
we're going to talk about it

2581
01:36:35,669 --> 01:36:34,400
kind of sounds like a campfire too so

2582
01:36:37,430 --> 01:36:35,679
that one time

2583
01:36:39,510 --> 01:36:37,440
exactly like a place to gather and have

2584
01:36:41,430 --> 01:36:39,520
stories and stuff

2585
01:36:42,950 --> 01:36:41,440
it is we have so many different shows i

2586
01:36:44,870 --> 01:36:42,960
know everyone knows about butt stuff but

2587
01:36:47,430 --> 01:36:44,880
we do so many other things we've had our

2588
01:36:49,270 --> 01:36:47,440
podcast for a really long time now we

2589
01:36:50,790 --> 01:36:49,280
have other things going on on the show

2590
01:36:53,030 --> 01:36:50,800
we do have a new show that will be

2591
01:36:56,070 --> 01:36:53,040
coming out next friday i hope everyone

2592
01:36:58,950 --> 01:36:56,080
tunes in for that it is deep thottiwaba

2593
01:37:01,109 --> 01:36:58,960
and so we're just multifaceted i think

2594
01:37:02,790 --> 01:37:01,119
with everything and so we're just trying

2595
01:37:05,350 --> 01:37:02,800
to find different ways to bring it to

2596
01:37:07,350 --> 01:37:05,360
everyone so all of your feedback just

2597
01:37:08,790 --> 01:37:07,360
means the best like it's really nice to

2598
01:37:09,830 --> 01:37:08,800
hear so i appreciate it thank you guys

2599
01:37:12,149 --> 01:37:09,840
thank you

2600
01:37:14,870 --> 01:37:12,159
this is uh this was very inspirational

2601
01:37:16,390 --> 01:37:14,880
because it lets people like us know that

2602
01:37:18,229 --> 01:37:16,400
are newer

2603
01:37:20,790 --> 01:37:18,239
i've been podcasting a long time but not

2604
01:37:23,510 --> 01:37:20,800
in not in the ufo space but it lets me

2605
01:37:25,510 --> 01:37:23,520
know hey you can you can keep being

2606
01:37:27,510 --> 01:37:25,520
different and and it's okay because we

2607
01:37:30,229 --> 01:37:27,520
see folks like you that have been in the

2608
01:37:31,270 --> 01:37:30,239
space uh longer and and doing it your

2609
01:37:33,430 --> 01:37:31,280
way so

2610
01:37:35,590 --> 01:37:33,440
i say thank you very much thank you for

2611
01:37:37,189 --> 01:37:35,600
sharing with us thank you guys thank you

2612
01:37:38,310 --> 01:37:37,199
guys so much for having us we had so

2613
01:37:39,669 --> 01:37:38,320
much fun you guys are gonna have to come

2614
01:37:41,270 --> 01:37:39,679
on our channel now and we're gonna have

2615
01:37:43,189 --> 01:37:41,280
to absolutely have some fun

2616
01:37:44,790 --> 01:37:43,199
it would be an honor to do that every

2617
01:37:47,510 --> 01:37:44,800
every time we get asked to be on it's an

2618
01:37:50,390 --> 01:37:47,520
honor so for nathan akashi chris for

2619
01:37:54,620 --> 01:37:50,400
debs this is dj saying peace out